Antics^^ Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 If I had the choice between being outnumbered, chased down until I could no longer run, and then torn to shreds by several sharp teeth or Being shot in a firing line. I'd choose the latter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuteWitness Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Foxes kill lambs, lambs grow to be sheep and stand in the roads in the peak districts and have caused deaths in the UK. Support fox hunting and more sheep will be waiting around the corner just to smash through your windscreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 One terrier one fox If only 1 dog is used the people doing this must be really confident it is strong enough to cope. Normally a group are used. Secondly, it is cruel to the dogs too. Digging Out - The Campaign for the Abolition of Terrier Work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tat lister Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 If only 1 dog is used the people doing this must be really confident it is strong enough to cope. Normally a group are used. Secondly, it is cruel to the dogs too. Digging Out - The Campaign for the Abolition of Terrier Work Dont be silly putting a group of terriers to ground on a fox:loopy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Dont be silly putting a group of terriers to ground on a fox:loopy: Every single time a fox has gone underground only one dog has been used? Never ever ever a group? Never ever 1 or 2 underground and some outside to chase it if it tries to run away again? I said it earlier; if the owner is confident 1 dog can do the job he will let it try. It isn't impossible, but using 1 dog gives the fox a slightly better chance of causing an injury, but he still has very little chance of surviving. Secondly; the number of dogs doesn't make the task suddenly moral. It's a terribly cruel act to pursue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosywolf Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 An interesting and sensible take on the subject from the dubiously named Terry Nutkins, in the Guardian: Fox attacks are virtually unheard of. The real issue with urban foxes is how we deal with a problem of our own making Foxes are now treating urban areas as their territory. They don't necessarily differentiate between concrete and a tree, as both are now part of their habitat. They are carnivores and opportunist feeders, but they don't attack humans. I can't remember a single verified case of a fox attacking a human unprovoked. This fox, if it was a fox, was probably young (as they are usually born around May). It reportedly entered the house through an open door, without knowing where it was going, and probably panicked when it found itself in a room with these two infants. When a fox is stressed, it runs about a lot and it could easily have injured the children accidentally. What I am definite about is that this fox did not go "on purpose" to attack the two children; that's simply not what foxes want to do. Any injury it caused those children would have been, in that sense, accidental. This has been reported as an attack by a fox, but I am doubtful. Domestic animals are far more likely to attack humans as they do not attempt to avoid us as foxes do. Whether it was a fox or not, we need to be more responsible about how we treat wild animals when they come into areas of human habitation. People are scared of wild animals, and when they hear or read stories like this, they tend to lose sight of how to deal with the underlying issues they raise. We need to make sure that foxes do not become persecuted. The same is beginning to happen to badgers again because of concerns about bovine TB. When a very rare incident like this involving a fox does occur, it is never the animal's fault. Foxes are not like wolves. They will never hunt humans, but only defend themselves if they feel that their own lives or their young are being threatened. To the extent to which urban foxes are a problem, it is one we've landed ourselves with. Some years ago, it became fashionable to have a fox in your garden and people would attract them to their gardens because they saw foxes as a countryside import into the city. When foxes started coming into cities people became quite excited about this "exotic" rural wildlife. If you had one in your garden, you'd actually invite people over to come and see it. They were given food and this, of course, encouraged them to come back. There was an abundance of food around the place and foxes are opportunist feeders. They're also tough animals and so they bred quickly. But as the fashion died down, people's attitudes to foxes began to change. They were seen as a nuisance, and as they stopped being fed, they began to scavenge. They raid dustbins, they make a mess, and people aren't interested in them anymore as countryside creatures in an urban setting. It's not good for us, but it's not good for the foxes either because they're riddled with disease, and we have to take responsibility for them: we need to get them out of the situation they're in. The RSPCA does a tremendous job in getting these animals out of inner cities and it's this kind of approach that we need to encourage. I would discourage people from placing fox traps in their gardens. They are not really a sensible way to deal with the problem, unless you know what type of trap to use and how to use it. We mustn't allow people to go out and lay down traps willy-nilly to catch the foxes. People also won't know what to do with a fox once they've caught one. You have to know of an agency that is willing to come and take the fox away, otherwise you're stuck with this terrified fox in your garden. But we need to take responsibility for the fact that these foxes are in our cities: they're here because we wanted them to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyjaki Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 dos everyone realy beleve it was a fox surely 9month olds would be screaming and thrashing and that would scare the fox of and why didnt the parents here this happen something fishy here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 dos everyone realy beleve it was a fox surely 9month olds would be screaming and thrashing and that would scare the fox of and why didnt the parents here this happen something fishy here The police were saying on the radio they have no reason to doubt the witnesses, i.e. the kid's parents, that it was a fox. Not sure why you assume that the fox would have dissapeared as soon as the babies cried - hens make a hell of a racket when a fox is at them and rabbits scream loudly when being killed by foxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Dont be silly putting a group of terriers to ground on a fox:loopy: nah best to root em out by sending a cow in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyjaki Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 The police were saying on the radio they have no reason to doubt the witnesses, i.e. the kid's parents, that it was a fox. Not sure why you assume that the fox would have dissapeared as soon as the babies cried - hens make a hell of a racket when a fox is at them and rabbits scream loudly when being killed by foxes. thats different these are humans foxs are scared of humans we have them on our street and we cant get near them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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