Will Afghanistan ever see peace while foreign soldiers on its soil ?

[boyfriday]

Exactly Dink, we need our troops home, we are defencless here and being taking over from the inside.

 

You're right mr postman, you should especially be very careful outdoors, the sun doesn't agree with you Caucasians-you should integrate fast with a few darkies...it's all that can save you!!

[tab1]

You're right mr postman, you should especially be very careful outdoors, the sun doesn't agree with you Caucasians-you should integrate fast with a few darkies...it's all that can save you!!

He is already well connected, here are some black friends singing to him

[boyfriday]

He is already well connected, here are some black friends singing to him

 

:hihi:

 

I think their mail would have gone astray if mr p had anything to do with it.

[JFKvsNixon]

We are on the brink of another war with Iran ,

 

the 3rd time British soldiers have attempted to occupy Afghanistan,

 

is there really a end in sight ?

 

Will the local tribes ever accept soldiers who they call “infidels” to occupy their land?

 

Whilst the Taliban are in Afghanistan there will never be peace there. Iran almost invaded them in the late 1990's, it was only after UN intervention that the 100 thousand men on the border was recalled. I've got a feeling that we do not sort out the Taliban this time, history will repeat itself and we will be back there in 10 years time after another atrocity.

 

The big question is, can a foreign army defeat the Taliban by force, on this issue I'm not too sure that it can. So what I think that we need to be attempting is to improve the infrastructure of the country to allow the Afghans defeat the Taliban by themselves.

[Smithster]

nobody has ever had conquered afghanistan and made its people accept one rule of law, nobody ever will.

 

There has been much debate over this subject throughout the 9 years () that this war/occupation, whatever you want to call it, has been running; but I think you have hit the nail square on the head here. Afghanistan has always been deeply divided politically. It was before the Soviet occupation, it was during the civil war of the 90s and again during the days of Taleban rule, and it still is. The different tribes and ethnic groups will always be at each others throats, and the only thing that seems to unite them is their collective desire to drive out any army who seeks to occupy their country

 

The biggest problem the country faces, aside from the threat of death and destruction from the Taleban insurgents and the coalition forces, is corruption within the government. The US was so desperate to install a non-Taleban government that they completely overlooked some horrific war crimes on behalf of the tribal warlords during the 1990s civil war and allowed them to have seats on the council. These are the people who were paid off by the CIA in the early days of the conflict to hire private militia forces to do the americans' fighting for them, but who duly also accepted plentiful bribes from Taleban and Al-Qaeda members to allow them to escape across the border to Pakistan, where they were given safe harbour by the ISI who were themselves supposed to be our allies.

 

I am a humanist, in that I believe we are all one race of people who should put aside our ethnic and nationalistic differences and work together for the greater good of mankind on the whole, so in a way I applaud the idea of trying to build a working democracy so that the future generations of Afghan people can break free of their poverty and insecurity; but only if it is done for the right reasons. Sadly, I am also very cynical so I have serious doubts about the motives of the people who instigated the war/occupation.

[tab1]

Whilst the Taliban are in Afghanistan there will never be peace there. Iran almost invaded them in the late 1990's, it was only after UN intervention that the 100 thousand men on the border was recalled. I've got a feeling that we do not sort out the Taliban this time, history will repeat itself and we will be back there in 10 years time after another atrocity.

 

The big question is, can a foreign army defeat the Taliban by force, on this issue I'm not too sure that it can. So what I think that we need to be attempting is to improve the infrastructure of the country to allow the Afghans defeat the Taliban by themselves.

It's like hoping an army of Englishmen will defeat the Yorkshiremen. The Taliban are Afghan and a defeat of the Taliban is defeat of the Afghan people, you just can't separate the two.

The only way is to modernise their thinking through education and development, not bombing them into submission. Things will change but over many years rather than a few, and we can't afford the task of the many years required.

[JFKvsNixon]

It's like hoping an army of Englishmen will defeat the Yorkshiremen. The Taliban are Afghan and a defeat of the Taliban is defeat of the Afghan people, you just can't separate the two.

The only way is to modernise their thinking through education and development, not bombing them into submission. Things will change but over many years rather than a few, and we can't afford the task of the many years required.

 

I disagree, it was a civil war in Afghanistan that brought the Taliban into existence, remember it was the socialist Afghan government that begged for help from the Soviets, and brought them into the civil war, against the Soviets better judgement. It was a civil war that brought the Taliban into power, and I guess only a civil war can truely remove them.

 

Afghanistan existed well enough without before them and as such it is important to remember that the Taliban is only a small part of Afghanistan, a small part that needs to be consigned to their history.

[Smithster]

It's like hoping an army of Englishmen will defeat the Yorkshiremen. The Taliban are Afghan and a defeat of the Taliban is defeat of the Afghan people, you just can't separate the two.

The only way is to modernise their thinking through education and development, not bombing them into submission. Things will change but over many years rather than a few, and we can't afford the task of the many years required.

 

Not strictly true. The Taleban's main training and recruitment base is across the border in Quetta, and an awful lot of the insurgents who cross into Afghanistan to fight the coalition forces are young radicalised pakistanis who have been given an extremist education in the Wahabi Madrassas in northern Pakistan that were founded, using US dollars brought in from Saudi Arabia, to take jihad into Kashmir.

 

For anyone who is interested, I suggest you read up about Greg Mortensen who is an american climber who has dedicated his life to building schools in the the remote villages of the border regions of Pakistan/Afghanistan, NWFP etc.. to offer an alternative education for the children of these villages. IMO, his efforts will ultimately be far more effective in stopping the spread of the kind of fundamentalism that is taught in these madrassas than the $trillions the US and UK governments will have spent by the time we eventually accept defeat and pull out.

[tab1]

I disagree, it was a civil war in Afghanistan that brought the Taliban into existence, remember it was the socialist Afghan government that begged for help from the Soviets, and brought them into the civil war, against the Soviets better judgement. It was a civil war that brought the Taliban into power, and I guess only a civil war can truely remove them.

 

Afghanistan existed well enough without before them and as such it is important to remember that the Taliban is only a small part of Afghanistan, a small part that needs to be consigned to their history.

I understand your logic over the civil war and does apply to some extent. Over the last few years however even being small part of Afghanistan the Taliban belong to the largest tribe of Afghanistan, the Pashtoons. They have become the standard bearers of their people on Pakistan side as well as Afghanistan. They are being supported and protected in Pakistan by their people and the same over in Afghanistan also. That is why it would be almost impossible to defeat them unless they decide on a genocide of the Pushtoon people.

[JFKvsNixon]

I understand your logic over the civil war and does apply to some extent. Over the last few years however even being small part of Afghanistan the Taliban belong to the largest tribe of Afghanistan, the Pashtoons. They have become the standard bearers of their people on Pakistan side as well as Afghanistan. They are being supported and protected in Pakistan by their people and the same over in Afghanistan also. That is why it would be almost impossible to defeat them unless they decide on a genocide of the Pushtoon people.

 

You have to defeat their ideas, it's not all about killing everyone who is a potential member of the Taliban. I feel that only Afghanistan it's self can do this. The West's role is to provide the prosperity to Afghanistan, which will be their main tool to defeat the Taliban ideal.