Jon Venables Charged over Child Porn

[Suffragette1]

I don't know whether the rate of recidivism amongst all sex offenders, applies to child sex offenders though Suffy.

 

By definition, their personalities aren't fully formed, and perhaps removed from the malicious environments they've been influenced by, they present a higher chance of rehabilitation than adults?

 

It's impossible to draw any hard and fast conclusions, given the lack of data and known cases of child sex offenders and longnitudinal studies. However, assuming (and that is assuming) that they follow the trajectory of adult sex offenders, I imagine that recidivism must be quite high.

 

There are two ways to look at it:

 

1) Does the fact that it started from a young age mean that it is so inherent that rehabiliation is even more unlikely?

 

or

 

2) Does the young age of the offender mean that rehabiliation is possible because the pattern has yet to become so deeply entrenched?

 

The above dichotomy demonstrates the need for examination on a case by case basis. There may be cases where children are fully rehabilitated and others where they are not. A lot also hinges on the severity of the crime.

 

In the case of Venables, if he is guilty, removing him from his malicious environment did not prevent him from ultimately being drawn into paedophilia.

 

This begs the question as to whether such tendencies can be innate. Are they immutable?

 

Questions, questions and more questions!

[Rupert_Baehr]

... However, I think the rate of recidivism amongst all sex crimes is pretty overwhelming evidence that rehabiliation does not work, it appears to be a lifelong compulsion. Without dredging up the facts of the original crime, there was I believe, sexual abuse involved.

 

Would you like to provide a link to support that statement?

 

'The rate of recidivism' ... What is the rate of recidivism?

 

'it appears to be a lifelong compulsion' ... to whom?

 

If it was indeed true (and you've not provided any evidence that is is) then why does the government spend so much time and money on Sexual Offender Treatment Programmes?

[boyfriday]

It's impossible to draw any hard and fast conclusions, given the lack of data and known cases of child sex offenders and longnitudinal studies. However, assuming (and that is assuming) that they follow the trajectory of adult sex offenders, I imagine that recidivism must be quite high.

 

There are two ways to look at it:

 

1) Does the fact that it started from a young age mean that it is so inherent that rehabiliation is even more unlikely?

 

or

 

2) Does the young age of the offender mean that rehabiliation is possible because the pattern has yet to become so deeply entrenched?

 

The above dichotomy demonstrates the need for examination on a case by case basis. There may be cases where children are fully rehabilitated and others where they are not. A lot also hinges on the severity of the crime.

 

In the case of Venables, if he is guilty, removing him from his malicious environment did not prevent him from ultimately being drawn into paedophilia.

 

This begs the question as to whether such tendencies can be innate. Are they immutable?

 

Questions, questions and more questions!

 

All I can say is that none of us behaves in adult life, as we did as children. I look back and baulk at some of the things we did as kids, which seemed perfectly rational at the time, but with age comes maturity and an understanding of the consequences of actions, not just for ourselves, but on the people we encounter.

 

Of course, child sex offenders present a special set of circumstances, and with many the die may already have been cast, but because of their susceptibility to external influences they can be influenced positively more effectively than adults.

[140609]

Would he be in misery, if people / the press weren't hounding him?

 

I wonder if most of the gloaters aren't rubbing their hands gleefully, as they've just been waiting for him to fall...

 

 

 

you are whats wrong with this country, the way you make excuse's for these idiots is laughable and everyday we wonder why criminals walk out of court with a slap on their wrist and its because your worrying about killers feelings sorry if people think i am wrong or out of order but i think its about time we all stopped worrying about criminals feelings and started to make them pay for the crimes they commit.

 

who care's if the press hound him they should so people he lives around know what he has done !

 

and NO sitting in a prison with 3 meals a day and playing on a playstation the rest of the time is not paying for the crimes they have commited.

[Plain Talker]

you are whats wrong with this country, the way you make excuse's for these idiots is laughable and everyday we wonder why criminals walk out of court with a slap on their wrist and its because your worrying about killers feelings sorry if people think i am wrong or out of order but i think its about time we all stopped worrying about criminals feelings and started to make them pay for the crimes they commit.

 

who care's if the press hound him they should so people he lives around know what he has done !

 

and NO sitting in a prison with 3 meals a day and playing on a playstation the rest of the time is not paying for the crimes they have commited.

 

that's bubbles you are talking, that is.

 

"that's whats wrong with this country"... Good God on a bike...! we've had the presumption of "innocence until proven guilty" since God-knows when.

 

It's an immutable right, and entrenched in judicial systems the world over. And thank God it is, or we'd be back to the lynch-mobs, and pitchforks and slavering, half-wit loons bearing torches. (do you need a light, for that one, by the way?)

 

It's cretinous kangaroo-court attitudes like yours that are the problem, not mine, where I say "have a fair, impartial trial, and weigh the evidence before one, in order to reach a verdict."

[kazads53]

Oh bugger!!....still talking out of your backside PT ,see the old pitchforks are still getting a mention, dont you ever get fed up of sticking up for this piece of sh**e.

Hopefully this time he will get his just deserts,if hes guilty of course ...do you reckon he is old enough now to know what he is doing??....cos he dosnt seem to have got any better with age does he??

[Halibut]

I think Halibut's trying to hint that the family called him James, and the Jamie tag came from the media, rather in the way that the McCann family called their daughter Madeleine not Maddie. And that this somehow makes anything you have to say of no moment.

 

It's a hair-splitting technique he's developed, on each and every thread, to enable him to participate without actually ever stating anything relevant. Take advice from your own siggie.

 

Wise words Ruby. Your sagacity can always be relied upon.

 

I think James Bulgers parents have said how upsetting they found it when the press decided to call him 'Jamie' - and I believe the McCann family were similarly unhappy over their daughter becoming 'Maddie'.

 

Regardless of Rubie's nonsense it seems to me that anyone who really cared about it would take care to call the dead/missing children by the names their parents were happy with rather than what the Scum and the other gutter rags decided to go with.

[Suffragette1]

Would you like to provide a link to support that statement?

 

'The rate of recidivism' ... What is the rate of recidivism?

Only just seen this. I wouldn't like to, no (sorry it's late) , but it's widely acknowledged that recidivism is high in this type of crime. I've read about it in a wide range of publications and news reports.

 

I also know of people who work with sex offenders and this supports their experiences of dealing with them.

 

'it appears to be a lifelong compulsion' ... to whom?

 

Many paedophiles have spoken of their inability to control their sexual urges vis a vis children to the extent where some will plead to undergo chemical castration. See above.

 

If it was indeed true (and you've not provided any evidence that is is) then why does the government spend so much time and money on Sexual Offender Treatment Programmes?

Because our entire system is one based on the notion of rehabilitation.

[mojoworking]

that's bubbles you are talking, that is.

 

"that's whats wrong with this country"... Good God on a bike...! we've had the presumption of "innocence until proven guilty" since God-knows when.

 

It's an immutable right, and entrenched in judicial systems the world over. And thank God it is, or we'd be back to the lynch-mobs, and pitchforks and slavering, half-wit loons bearing torches. (do you need a light, for that one, by the way?)

 

It's cretinous kangaroo-court attitudes like yours that are the problem, not mine, where I say "have a fair, impartial trial, and weigh the evidence before one, in order to reach a verdict."

 

Are you sponsored by the Acme Pitchfork company by any chance PT?

 

You seem to mention them at least once in every post.

[Tipex]

I heard yesterday venables was living out castleton way untill the residents got wind. He's suppose to have attacked one of the locals with a bat.

 

A local defence barrister was questioned about the leak of venables identity and police was called to escort him away immediatley.