Cyclone Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Originally posted by Phanerothyme how can it be a class issue when the hunts prided themselves on a strong cross class pasttime, and indeed used this fact to refute the "toffee nosed" label? It's not class jealousy. It's just that it's hard to justify fox hunting as being anything other than a jolly good gallop across open country, often ending in the death of a fox. It's not pest control, it's not conservation, its entertainment at the expense of a sentient animal. No wonder 76% of those who have voted so far, think that the current ban is perfectly reasonable. the fact that they have to refute it and that comments about toffee nosed upper class tw*ts are still being used means that this is perceived by some as a class thing, even if it isn't. Perception is everything, reality is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.B.Yaffle Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 In my opinion it doesn't matter whether or not it is a class thing, or whether or not the government brought in the ban for dubious and probably selfish reasons. The simple fact is that the majority of the public realise it is a grotesquely cruel pastime, and it should have been banned whether it not it was practised by rich upper class people or poor working class people. It is not needed as pest control as there are many farmers who do not allow hunts on their land. The pest control argument also falls flat when the hunts are caught transporting foxes from one part of the country to another in order to keep the "sport" going in places where there are too few foxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Originally posted by Cyclone Perception is everything, reality is irrelevant. Perception is reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Originally posted by Phanerothyme Perception is reality. only if we are god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Originally posted by Cyclone only if we are god. Give that man a cigar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smelley_cat1 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 fox hunting is cruel and downright inhumane people should be ashamed of themselves for killing innocent creatures i say everyone get a shotgun and hunt down fox hunters and see how they like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Originally posted by smelley_cat1 fox hunting is cruel and downright inhumane people should be ashamed of themselves for killing innocent creatures i say everyone get a shotgun and hunt down fox hunters and see how they like it! innocent of what? you do understand that they will be killed one way or the other anyway, their death is not the issue, merely it's manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.B.Yaffle Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Originally posted by Cyclone innocent of what? you do understand that they will be killed one way or the other anyway, their death is not the issue, merely it's manner. Why do you say that? Do you dispute the fact that fox hunters encourage foxes to breed so they can hunt them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willman Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Originally posted by Patchy Why do you say that? Do you dispute the fact that fox hunters encourage foxes to breed so they can hunt them? not culling them encourages them to breed. if the farmers were so good to foxes they wouldnt have started visited cities & towns for food. when they start colonising your street & having the dust bins over you may wish there wasn't so many of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Originally posted by Patchy Why do you say that? Do you dispute the fact that fox hunters encourage foxes to breed so they can hunt them? encourage? How, they get them drunk and leave male and female foxes together in a room? If some of the reports of transporting foxes around for the hunt are true then that is clearly unacceptable. But i'm wondering of what the fox is innocent, it's not innocent of being an indiscriminate killer of livestock, killing far more than it requires to eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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