DragonofAna Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Willman - it has already been said that violence and threats as well as damage to property were not acceptable - by either side. There were news reports of protestors getting beaten and threatened in just the same manner as the hunters. Neither side was right in doing this. No-one supports that kind of action. However - peaceful protest - the waving of banners or attempting to block the path of the hunters is an acceptable form of protest and those who participate should not be labelled as terrorsits. Lets not keep going to extremes in order to justify our arguments when those extremes are not the norm. Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willman Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Originally posted by Dragon However - peaceful protest - the waving of banners or attempting to block the path of the hunters is an acceptable form of protest and those who participate should not be labelled as terrorsits. Dragon fully agree, but not everyone posting on here are as understanding as you & i. if they were this post would have been finished before it started, healthy debate is the only way to advance society in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withnail Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Come on, is no-one going to take the 'bait'? If fox hunting, then why not angling? Believe it or not, groups exist that seek to ban angling: http://www.pisces.demon.co.uk/ http://www.fishinghurts.com/ http://hsa.enviroweb.org/tactics/sabfish.html If hunt sabs were regarded as extremists 20 years ago but have since gone on to see a fox hunting ban imposed, then what future for this crew? Perhaps we should have a poll on support for banning angling? I wonder why it is that this country in particular gets so hot under the collar about animal 'rights'? Why do we think it fine to eat cows but not dogs? Why can we buy millions of battery chickens but not whale meat? Why do we seemingly prefer processed chicken dinosaur shapes to something that actually resembles a butchered animal (when was the last time you saw butchered carcasses or fowl hanging in a supermarket meat section like they do in proper specialist butchers)? I think some level of hypocrisy and denial about what humans are and where we come from lurks beneath all this. If we’re so concerned about how animals are killed, why do we allow halal meat? EU regulations brought in to regulate the slaughter of animals and to reduce unnecessary suffering require all animals to be stunned before being slaughtered. The halal method of dispatching animals (i.e., slitting their throats and letting them bleed to death without stunning) is thus an unnecessarily cruel method, but we allow it. In all probability, any attempt to ban it would be seized upon as anti-semitism or islamophbia and have certain sections of society foaming at the mouth, as they’re want to do. In other words, the beliefs of certain groups are more important than the welfare of the animal. And if this is the case, why were the ‘beliefs’ of hunt supporters not respected? Any possibility of hunt sabs turning their attention to this issue and sabbing halal abattoirs? No, thought not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 whales are endangered. Halal does require the stunning of the animal, but IMO should still be banned. Fishing isn't quite the same as hunting the fox, I was ambivalent on the fox hunting ban, I'd be strongly opposed to an angling ban (despite not having fished in about 20 years, since I was a kid). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Originally posted by Cyclone whales are endangered. Halal does require the stunning of the animal, but IMO should still be banned. Fishing isn't quite the same as hunting the fox, I was ambivalent on the fox hunting ban, I'd be strongly opposed to an angling ban (despite not having fished in about 20 years, since I was a kid). Halal does not require the stunning of the animal! The government was advised by the Farm Animal Welfare Council that halal and kosher should me banned immediately, but nothing has been done! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2977086.stm Yet another double standard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willman Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 agree with serapis on halal. the animal must also be killed with one swift movement, if it does not die after the first cut it is killed "humanely" and put into general food circulation for you & i to eat. animals for halal are not allowed to be stunned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyR Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Originally posted by withnail Come on, is no-one going to take the 'bait'? If fox hunting, then why not angling? Believe it or not, groups exist that seek to ban angling: http://www.pisces.demon.co.uk/ http://www.fishinghurts.com/ http://hsa.enviroweb.org/tactics/sabfish.html In the words of cobain: "its ok to eat fish, coz they don't have any feelings" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I take it the people that wrote this Angling is Britain's most popular bloodsport and is responsible for causing pain, stress, fear and death to thousands of millions of fish every year. Everyone can identify with the terror of the majestic stag or wily fox when hunted for miles, but slimy, voiceless fish don't have the same appeal. Please don't let yourselves be open to accusations of speciesism and give all living creatures equal consideration. follow the example of jain monks and sweep the ground in front of them, and wear masks to avoid killing small creatures by treading on, or inhaling them. I bet they are teetotal too, seeing as how alcohol production is the cause of death of untold billions of yeast organisms. I would have thought it is obvious. It's much easier to empathise with a predatory mammal, because that is what we are. It's even easier to empathise with apes, and still easier with humans. Empathising with fish is a rare, er, 'talent'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Originally posted by TimmyR In the words of cobain: "its ok to eat fish, coz they don't have any feelings" I think they have proven that fish do feel pain now so angling is a sport that causes un-necessary pain to animals. But as it’s not considered an exclusive upper-class pursuit, the likely hood if it ever gets banned is very remote. The same goes for halal meat. As it’s considered a religious right, no one will dare to ban it for fear of being branded anti-semitic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Originally posted by serapis I think they have proven that fish do feel pain now so angling is a sport that causes un-necessary pain to animals. But as it’s not considered an exclusive upper-class pursuit, the likely hood if it ever gets banned is very remote. The same goes for halal meat. As it’s considered a religious right, no one will dare to ban it for fear of being branded anti-semitic. I don't really see how halal or kosher meat really differs in animal welfare terms from other abbatoirs. Angling won't be banned because there is a multi billion pound international industry supporting it. If fox hunting was a little more popular, cheaper to get into, and not so exclusive, it could have enjoyed the same protection. Of course if that had happened, we would have hunted them out by now, and would be restocking them in much the same way we do with fish today. To be honest, fishing for tddly roach with a 15' pole seems to me to be an act of lunacy. Rather catch a couple of brownies for supper. What does fox taste like anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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