Nick Clegg - a decent man with integrity and principles

[artisan]

just because the cuts are worse than labour's doesn't mean that they are bad, after all if gordon 'i've abolished boom and bust' brown hadn't gone on a mad borrowing and spending money spree in the good years then we wouldn't be in this mess.

 

Are you related in some wierd way to a Goldfish?

Your memory seems to be very short.

The American Banks, and therefore the entire capitalist system got us into this position in the first place.

Gordon Brown sorted it out, using harsh medicine against the banks.

 

The banks then conspired to elect a puppet government in the USA using the Uncle Tom Obama, (coconut to his friends), and this shambles of a Cameron set up in the UK.

 

Now Brown has gone, they are not running scared any longer, and are intimidating the boy Dave.

It is sad to see con men taking all our money, in only two months.

[I1L2T3]

If Clegg had gone into partnership with Labour I bet the title of this thread would've been different. It'd have been:

 

'Nick Clegg - a scabby get who prostituted his principles to get a taste of power.'

 

Or somesuch.

 

I'm glad Labour avoided having to get into bed with that clown. A spell in opposition is no bad thing and I hope it can be an honourable opposition while Labour rebuilds after losing its way, as parties often do when they have repeated terms in power.

 

Note to Cameron: when you address the opposition, especially a female it's "the right honouable lady", not "she"

 

Message to Clegg: when Cameron is making a halfwit of himself don't sit there nodding like his little pet poodle.

[I1L2T3]

Are you related in some wierd way to a Goldfish?

Your memory seems to be very short.

The American Banks, and therefore the entire capitalist system got us into this position in the first place.

Gordon Brown sorted it out, using harsh medicine against the banks.

 

The banks then conspired to elect a puppet government in the USA using the Uncle Tom Obama, (coconut to his friends), and this shambles of a Cameron set up in the UK.

 

Now Brown has gone, they are not running scared any longer, and are intimidating the boy Dave.

It is sad to see con men taking all our money, in only two months.

 

The banks are like loan sharks, squeezing every last drop out of us. They will let us have our austerity and if by some miracle we get growth, increased confidence and liquidity back they will invent a new banking crisis to undo it all again. The pattern is set - privatised profit, socialised loss - and the message is that risk taking is a win-win situation. If people expect more regulation they won't get it under the Tories, no matter what they say because there in no way they will take on the city.

[andyofborg]

Are you related in some wierd way to a Goldfish?

Your memory seems to be very short.

The American Banks, and therefore the entire capitalist system got us into this position in the first place.

Gordon Brown sorted it out, using harsh medicine against the banks.

 

what harsh medicine?

 

and anyway, I was referring to brown's massive borrowing rampage before the bank's collapse. had he borrowed a sensible and affordable amount we would have been in a much better state to survive the global economic turmoil and take full advantage of the recovery.

 

The banks then conspired to elect a puppet government in the USA using the Uncle Tom Obama, (coconut to his friends), and this shambles of a Cameron set up in the UK.

 

paranoid and racist, not a very good combination

[daftlad]

Seeing as the forum's usual loony lefties are launching increasingly bitter and personal attacks on him, I thought it fair to redress the balance.

 

I must admit that I was wrong about Clegg - in the run up to the election I had a go at him for being a hypocrite when it was revealed that he's a regular churchgoer but says he doesn't believe in god.

 

Since coming to power however, my opinion of him has risen. In contrast to the petty playground squabbling of Labour, Clegg has put the interests of his country ahead of those of his party by helping form the coalition government and attempting to undo the last 13 years of disastrous Labour policies.

 

He has also come under attack for rejecting the Forgemasters loan, but Sheffield people have to realise that as deputy PM, he must favour the national interest over the local one. Imagine for example if he was an MP for Leeds and as soon as he got elected he diverted funding from other parts of the country to Leeds - there'd be uproar!

 

Thanks to Clegg's integrity and principles, it's been great to see our Conservative and Liberal politicians working with rather than against each other (and even some of the more mature Labour MPs such as Frank Field are joining in).

 

I doubt very much if Clegg reads Sheffield Forum, but if he does, I'd like to say that the way he's conducted himself since coming to power has earned him an awful lot of respect from me and lots of other Sheffield people. Well done!

 

integrity and honesty. i am sorry but politicians dont know the meaning of those two words

[andyofborg]

The banks are like loan sharks, squeezing every last drop out of us. They will let us have our austerity and if by some miracle we get growth, increased confidence and liquidity back they will invent a new banking crisis to undo it all again. The pattern is set - privatised profit, socialised loss - and the message is that risk taking is a win-win situation. If people expect more regulation they won't get it under the Tories, no matter what they say because there in no way they will take on the city.

 

in a free market environment the banks would have been allowed to fail, and there is a view that they should have been allowed too. If there is another crisis that will probably be what happens since there isn't the money for another bailout.

 

the general consensus seems to be that uk banks will be forced to either separate retail and investment functions or carry a much larger capital reserve and the banking tax announced in the budget penalises those banks which rely on risky short term wholesale funding.

 

if these reforms are carried through then the bank should be more stable.

 

there is also a need for the owners of the banks, the shareholders, to accept some responsibility and ensure that the banks are managed properly.

[artisan]

what harsh medicine?

 

and anyway, I was referring to brown's massive borrowing rampage before the bank's collapse. had he borrowed a sensible and affordable amount we would have been in a much better state to survive the global economic turmoil and take full advantage of the recovery.

 

 

 

paranoid and racist, not a very good combination

 

You do realise that Obama hates the English?

He is a supporter of the Mau Mau in Kenya, who murdered English settlers?

[Rupert_Baehr]

in a free market environment the banks would have been allowed to fail, and there is a view that they should have been allowed too. If there is another crisis that will probably be what happens since there isn't the money for another bailout.

 

the general consensus seems to be that uk banks will be forced to either separate retail and investment functions or carry a much larger capital reserve and the banking tax announced in the budget penalises those banks which rely on risky short term wholesale funding.

 

if these reforms are carried through then the bank should be more stable..

 

Agreed. There is no more reason to protect banks than to protect any other company. The Banks have been (IMO) remarkably arrogant. They received bailouts which allowed them to keep trading, but then carried on paying themselves outrageous bonuses ... at the expense of those to whom they should've been lending money?

 

there is also a need for the owners of the banks, the shareholders, to accept some responsibility and ensure that the banks are managed properly.

 

That's perhaps the difficult bit. Do the shaerholders speak with a united voice? - Usually not.

[thorphanger]

Seeing as the forum's usual loony lefties are launching increasingly bitter and personal attacks on him, I thought it fair to redress the balance.

 

I must admit that I was wrong about Clegg - in the run up to the election I had a go at him for being a hypocrite when it was revealed that he's a regular churchgoer but says he doesn't believe in god.

 

Since coming to power however, my opinion of him has risen. In contrast to the petty playground squabbling of Labour, Clegg has put the interests of his country ahead of those of his party by helping form the coalition government and attempting to undo the last 13 years of disastrous Labour policies.

 

He has also come under attack for rejecting the Forgemasters loan, but Sheffield people have to realise that as deputy PM, he must favour the national interest over the local one. Imagine for example if he was an MP for Leeds and as soon as he got elected he diverted funding from other parts of the country to Leeds - there'd be uproar!

 

Thanks to Clegg's integrity and principles, it's been great to see our Conservative and Liberal politicians working with rather than against each other (and even some of the more mature Labour MPs such as Frank Field are joining in).

 

I doubt very much if Clegg reads Sheffield Forum, but if he does, I'd like to say that the way he's conducted himself since coming to power has earned him an awful lot of respect from me and lots of other Sheffield people. Well done!

 

I agree with you it is great to see the conservatives and liberals working together for the good of the country and I think Clegg is doing a great job.

[I1L2T3]

in a free market environment the banks would have been allowed to fail, and there is a view that they should have been allowed too. If there is another crisis that will probably be what happens since there isn't the money for another bailout.

 

the general consensus seems to be that uk banks will be forced to either separate retail and investment functions or carry a much larger capital reserve and the banking tax announced in the budget penalises those banks which rely on risky short term wholesale funding.

 

if these reforms are carried through then the bank should be more stable.

 

there is also a need for the owners of the banks, the shareholders, to accept some responsibility and ensure that the banks are managed properly.

 

Ain't going to happen. They will make all the right noises and they'll come to nothing.

 

Behind the scenes some slight of hand will free up the banks to create some other stupidly leveraged investment products and it'll all come crashing down again.

 

Like you know when all this stuff about BTL and second homes CGT was being talked about in the budget some were getting generous tax breaks reinstated, tax breaks that were taken away under Labour:

 

And the rich get richer

 

All in it together are we? Like hell. And Clegg facilitated this.