Chris_Sleeps Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 If, for instance, you know a guy has just planted a bomb in a crowded arcade, it is on a timer and he won't talk. You need the information quickly to save lives then yes it is justified, fetch the thumbscrews. The 'ticking bomb scenario' is weak because torture isn't a reliable means of accessing the truth. If any answer can be given to end the torture then why give the truth? One could lie, the torture ends and bomb blows up killing people. Then they have no reason to torture you again because your knowledge would be worthless, and any pain after that would simply be reprisal. I don't believe there is any reason why torture would lead to someone telling the whole truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epiphany Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 The 'ticking bomb scenario' is weak because torture isn't a reliable means of accessing the truth. If any answer can be given to end the torture then why give the truth? One could lie, the torture ends and bomb blows up killing people. Then they have no reason to torture you again because your knowledge would be worthless, and any pain after that would simply be reprisal. I don't believe there is any reason why torture would lead to someone telling the whole truth. Exactly. Does any one have proof that torture consitantly extracts the truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 There is a 'Philosophy Bites' podcast on the subject, if anyone is interested. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kthebean Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 The 'ticking bomb scenario' is weak because torture isn't a reliable means of accessing the truth. If any answer can be given to end the torture then why give the truth? One could lie, the torture ends and bomb blows up killing people. Then they have no reason to torture you again because your knowledge would be worthless, and any pain after that would simply be reprisal. I don't believe there is any reason why torture would lead to someone telling the whole truth. The ticking bomb scenario is weak anyway. When does that ever happen apart from in films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greavsy Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Torture the terrorists, after all they deserve it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Depends on the circumstances. If, for instance, you know a guy has just planted a bomb in a crowded arcade, it is on a timer and he won't talk. You need the information quickly to save lives then yes it is justified, fetch the thumbscrews. Because that happens all the time, right? Absolutely. All the bleeding heart beardies with their endless "human rights" twaddle would soon change their minds if it were they or their families at stake. Imo terrorists, by their very activities, forego the right to such niceties anyway. Let the liberal dimwits stick their heads back in the sand while the real world goes on around them. If you weren't such a dimwit yourself, these three obvious facts would be apparent to you. 1.That most torture is conducted by the sadistic goons of fascist regimes and is designed to terrorise opponents of the regime into compliance (as opposed to the Hollywood fantasy scenario you have come up with as an exccuse for torture). 2.That by lowering our standards to accept the use of torture, we would be one step closer to living in just such a regime ourselves. 3.That most people who oppose torture are not beard sporting leftists, but ordinary people (although a significant proportion of those who support it seem to be arrogant and shallow thinking right wing loons). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaranthus Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 If you were tortured you'd admit to being part of the 9/11 attacks, the JFK assaination and kidnapping Shergar. I have to agree with this. I have been put under duress at one point in my life and the temptation to admit to something you haven't done, purely because the other person wholly believes you have and will not stop hurting you until you say so, is extremely overpowering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depoix Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Spoken like a true dictator. In other words you do not believe that human has rights, therefore you do not believe that rights exist, therefore all those things you listed a minute ago can be taken away from you in the name of "fighting terror" (oh wait, they are already being eroded). So by accepting our side using torture, you are firstly agreeing to our soldiers being tortured, and you are secondly agreeing to be subservient and to allow our rights to be taken away in the name of fighting "terror". Remember we are not only talking of torture of foreigners here, we are talking about the torture of British subjects. no were not, were talking about using torture on captured terrorists ,just because they happen to claim british citizenship when caught makes no differance,if they have the answers to prevent others bieng killed then its a fair assumption that they expect to have rough treatment in defence of those innocents they intend to harm and who the british forces are trying to defend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusflower Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 no were not, were talking about using torture on captured terrorists ,just because they happen to claim british citizenship when caught makes no differance,if they have the answers to prevent others bieng killed then its a fair assumption that they expect to have rough treatment in defence of those innocents they intend to harm and who the british forces are trying to defend Hi depoix, You argue for the use of torture. This is now an established fact! What do you believe separates you from the terrorist in the depths you are prepared to plumb to get your own way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depoix Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Hi depoix, You argue for the use of torture. This is now an established fact! What do you believe separates you from the terrorist in the depths you are prepared to plumb to get your own way? fighting for freedom and wanting to give the opressed a better standard of life than they have at present Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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