convert Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Are you sure about that? http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/information/cars-and-noise.asp Cars and Noise The external noise emitted by passenger cars has been controlled since 1929 when the Motor Cars (Excessive Noise) regulations were introduced. New cars are now required to meet Europe-wide noise limits. These have been progressively reduced from 82 decibels (dB(A)) in 1978 to the current limit of 74 dB(A) established in 1996. This means it would take 7 new vehicles to make the same amount of noise as one vehicle that just meets the pre-1978 limits. Information on the level of noise recorded for new models of cars at their type approval test is also listed in the data table. When looking at this information please note that off-road vehicles are allowed to be 1dB(A) louder, as are direct injection diesels. These allowances are cumulative, so the limit for an off-road vehicle with a direct injection diesel engine is 76 dB(A). The noise levels quoted above are the maximum levels that are permitted for new vehicle type. Many vehicles produce lower levels of noise, and it is illegal to modify the exhaust system of a vehicle to make it noisier than the level recorded for that model at type approval. Yes, I'm quite sure. Don't believe all you read on the greenwash sites. Show me where on the English statute books it states a maximum noise level for a car (other than the 105Db limit applied during an SVA test. Show me where this limit is mearued at an MOT test. (although a tester can fail a car for excessive noise, excessive isn't actually defined) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
convert Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 I know that when they remove the 1.2 badges it ain't to save weight. No, No, No, they remove them to improve the aerodynamics. innit ? They blow up the tyres with Nitrogen to save weight, and drop the backseats to make it go faster, aye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimsid2000 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Mine auto is nicht ein Trabant. Das ist nicht ein gut auto. Ich will Holly Willoughby übers Knie legen und versohlen ihr! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellyman Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Yes, I'm quite sure. Don't believe all you read on the greenwash sites. Show me where on the English statute books it states a maximum noise level for a car (other than the 105Db limit applied during an SVA test. Show me where this limit is mearued at an MOT test. (although a tester can fail a car for excessive noise, excessive isn't actually defined) What I quoted was actually from the Government website and not some "greenwash site" as you suggest. That is the official UK and EU regulations. I note that many police forces have in their possession noise metering equipment and issue OTS fines for cars producing excessive noise. Here is the relevant section regarding requirements at an MOT test. http://www.ukmot.com/6-3.asp b. assess subjectively the effectiveness of the silencer in reducing exhaust noise to a level considered to be average for the vehicle reason for rejection.. b. a silencer in such a condition, or of such a type, that the noise emitted from the vehicle is clearly unreasonably above the level expected from a similar vehicle with a silencer in average condition. Reproduced from the MOT Inspection Manual by kind permission of THE VEHICLE INSPECTORATE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teuton Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 No, No, No, they remove them to improve the aerodynamics. innit ? They blow up the tyres with Nitrogen to save weight, and drop the backseats to make it go faster, aye! Wouldn't they go faster if they chavs got out and pushed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
convert Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 What I quoted was actually from the Government website and not some "greenwash site" as you suggest. That is the official UK and EU regulations. I note that many police forces have in their possession noise metering equipment and issue OTS fines for cars producing excessive noise. Have you read the introduction and the crap they spout about global wombling... Greenwash to me no matter who publishes it. However I will stand corrected as the figures you (they) give are actually EU figures. The actual figures given (for cars with a power output of under 75kW) in the construction and use amendement no.5 is 84Db; for vehicles first used on or after the 1st October 1996. However exemptions have been made for small volume manufacturers (mainly specialist sports cars) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellyman Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 However I will stand corrected as the figures you (they) give are actually EU figures. The actual figures given (for cars with a power output of under 75kW) in the construction and use amendement no.5 is 84Db; for vehicles first used on or after the 1st October 1996. However exemptions have been made for small volume manufacturers (mainly specialist sports cars) Acknowledged. Thank you. The point is that the police have the law and equipment to prosecute people with nuisance exhausts. If you have a problem you take the registration number of the car and report it to the police. I am sure they will be very happy to call around and deprive the driver of £30. No doubt whilst they are at it they will look over the rest of the car and isue a few more OTS fines for bald tyres, blacked out windows, lack of MOT, lack of catalytic converter, lack of insurance, wheels protruding from the bodywork, and any number of other things that they have up their sleeves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teuton Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Have you read the introduction and the crap they spout about global wombling... Greenwash to me no matter who publishes it. What's global wombling, have the wombles been contributing to global warming Remember you're a womble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 :hihi::hihi::hihi: My vote for funniest post of the year so far. Why is that, please explain to the world your immense knowledge of engines and performance and what can be done to make power in cars. I like how you've actually ignored my post. You do know what an RX7 is right? You do know the difference between a performance car and a 1.2L chav-mobile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxy Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Why is that, please explain to the world your immense knowledge of engines and performance and what can be done to make power in cars. I like how you've actually ignored my post. You do know what an RX7 is right? You do know the difference between a performance car and a 1.2L chav-mobile? She clearly doesn't just going on her original post. Just spouting off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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