Just for one day lets celebrate our faith

[buck]

Nice post Jew Boy, I have a faith, a belief of sorts. This planet is too beautifull for it to have all happened accidentally. When I was in hospital following cancer surgery one of the guys in there said 'funny, but we dont get many atheists in here'. We ALL prayed unashamedly while we were in there. The same guy said " atheists stay quiet on battlefields and cancer wards". He had a point.

Nice post yourself too. Someone once said God doesn't give you anything you can't handle. Whether thats true or not but when the chips were down after my wife died and when i contracted cancer ten years ago I somehow got over it. I married again, inheriting Auntie Kate, a super old lady from Ireland who became a great friend. After she died at 94, my wife said that I now had a guardian angel, and somethings almost make me believe. I have never been sure, but I lack the arrogance of those who seemingly hate anyone who is faithful. They may be right, but I wouldn't like to be in their shoes if they're not.

[Bloomdido]

It is interesting to see the number of people on here, otherwise rational intelligent people, denying the existence of God, or some superior force.[/Quote]

 

I deny the existance lf all gods. I expect you deny the eistance of all gods but one. Forces can be measured or observed.

 

It is all very well, for the shock value as a youngster to claim to be an atheist, but as people get older, the claim wears a bit thin.

 

The older I become, the more millitant I become.

 

The more experience you gain, and the more you learn, you realise that the less mankind actually knows.

 

That's why god invented the internet.

 

I have read and learned much about the structure of matter and electron theory etc, and many people still claim it to be scientific logic, bunkum.

Find me a cosmologist or physicist who believes in a creator. They are pretty rare, I would guess. What does that tell you?

 

The electron (if it exists at all) can be in as many places as it wants to be, all solid matter is 99.999% empty space, or whatever.

Superior forces are controlling these things whether you like it or not.

Superior to what? How did the controllers get here then? Your theory just moves eveything back one place.

[EbonyBranch]

If that is what you think, then you are a simpleton, in the nicest sense of the word.

God laid his hand on this Universe once, and once only.

About 15 billion years ago.

From nothing (not a vacuum, not an absence of space, truly nothing), the entirety of space, time and matter was created, in an instant.

At that moment, all the laws of physics, matter, thermodynamics, gravity, what you will, were laid down forever, unchangeable and fixed.

 

I very much doubt, from your puerile reply that you even have a vague idea of my meaning.

 

I'm a simpleton?

 

You've made series of definite statements about things of which you cannot possibly have definite knowledge.

 

God laid his hand on this Universe once, and once only.

Please supply the basis for this advanced metaphysical knowledge of yours. Then explain where god came from. Then explain how you could possibly know that this god of yours only 'laid his hand on the universe once, and once only'. Then explain how you know that your god has hands. Then explain on what basis you know the gender of this god. Then explain where god is now if 'his' contact with the universe was on one-off event.

 

From nothing (not a vacuum, not an absence of space, truly nothing), the entirety of space, time and matter was created, in an instant.

Please supply the basis for this advanced metaphysical knowledge of yours. Then explain why it is that so many physicists and cosmologists, who presumably have very detailed learning in their chosen specialisms, fail to share your knowledge that goddidit. Boy, they must be such simpletons!

 

At that moment, all the laws of physics, matter, thermodynamics, gravity, what you will, were laid down forever, unchangeable and fixed.

Then explain how you know that the laws of physics were laid down then and are unchangeable. You seem to be remarkably knowledgeable about the 14 billion odd years that preceded your birth, but a number of cosmologists are currently discussing evidence suggesting that the laws of physics may have been different billions of years ago. Perhaps you could get in touch with them and set them straight, save 'em wasting all that time and effort. Imagine their embarrassment!

 

I very much doubt, from your puerile reply that you even have a vague idea of my meaning.

 

Wow. All that amazing knowledge, and so modest too! You, sir, are a catch.

[artisan]

I deny the existance lf all gods. I expect you deny the eistance of all gods but one. Forces can be measured or observed.

 

 

Superior to what? How did the controllers get here then? Your theory just moves eveything back one place.

 

Forces cannot be measured or observed.

The brute forces that we use day to day can be, in a basic fashion, but the forces that control the actual matter we are made of cannot be.

Try to even look at it, and you alter it.

We are all made of a mix of atoms of various elements.

Every atom that comprises your body, is billions, (at least) of years old.

The majority, hydrogen, has been here since the Big Bang.

Just think about simple basics like that, you may have been born only a few years ago, but you are infact billions of years old, just slightly rearranged.

 

By asking how the controllers got here, perhaps in the Large Hydron Collider, many Universes have come into being, lived out their entities, and beings within them have asked the same question.

[EbonyBranch]

Forces cannot be measured or observed.

The brute forces that we use day to day can be, in a basic fashion, but the forces that control the actual matter we are made of cannot be.

Try to even look at it, and you alter it.

We are all made of a mix of atoms of various elements.

Every atom that comprises your body, is billions, (at least) of years old.

The majority, hydrogen, has been here since the Big Bang.

Just think about simple basics like that, you may have been born only a few years ago, but you are infact billions of years old, just slightly rearranged.

 

By asking how the controllers got here, perhaps in the Large Hydron Collider, many Universes have come into being, lived out their entities, and beings within them have asked the same question.

 

Someone's been watching mind-numbing dross like Zeitgeist, or possibly indulging in too much YouTube...

[Grahame]

I'm a simpleton?

 

You've made series of definite statements about things of which you cannot possibly have definite knowledge.

 

Please supply the basis for this advanced metaphysical knowledge of yours. Then explain where god came from. Then explain how you could possibly know that this god of yours only 'laid his hand on the universe once, and once only'. Then explain how you know that your god has hands. Then explain on what basis you know the gender of this god. Then explain where god is now if 'his' contact with the universe was on one-off event.

 

Please supply the basis for this advanced metaphysical knowledge of yours. Then explain why it is that so many physicists and cosmologists, who presumably have very detailed learning in their chosen specialisms, fail to share your knowledge that goddidit. Boy, they must be such simpletons!

 

Then explain how you know that the laws of physics were laid down then and are unchangeable. You seem to be remarkably knowledgeable about the 14 billion odd years that preceded your birth, but a number of cosmologists are currently discussing evidence suggesting that the laws of physics may have been different billions of years ago. Perhaps you could get in touch with them and set them straight, save 'em wasting all that time and effort. Imagine their embarrassment!

 

 

 

Wow. All that amazing knowledge, and so modest too! You, sir, are a catch.

 

 

"I am a self-proclaimed math atheist. You can be too. Simply deny the existence of math.

 

Lets think about it logically: What is math? A universally accepted form of symbolic language meant to explain the physical world around us. It's like a religion. And therefore, I can deny it.

 

Chemistry, physics, and geometry cannot be denied, for they are tangible, and can be seen, smelled and perceived. But I, for one, have never been driving in my car and seen a quadratic formula outside my window. Trees, yes. Bunnies. Certainly. Two functions being combined? Never.

 

Furthermore, math is an extremely intolerant religion at that, since it claims to have only one correct way to get "the right answer." We need to embrace all roads to mathematical enlightenment whether that be determining probability, adding and subtracting, or burning your textbook in the firepit.

 

5 + 4 = 9

5 + 4 = -2

5 + 4 =

5 + 4 = Eli Whitney and the cotton gin.

 

All are one! All are embraced."

 

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[EbonyBranch]

"I am a self-proclaimed math atheist. You can be too. Simply deny the existence of math.

 

Lets think about it logically: What is math? A universally accepted form of symbolic language meant to explain the physical world around us. It's like a religion. And therefore, I can deny it.

 

Chemistry, physics, and geometry cannot be denied, for they are tangible, and can be seen, smelled and perceived. But I, for one, have never been driving in my car and seen a quadratic formula outside my window. Trees, yes. Bunnies. Certainly. Two functions being combined? Never.

 

Furthermore, math is an extremely intolerant religion at that, since it claims to have only one correct way to get "the right answer." We need to embrace all roads to mathematical enlightenment whether that be determining probability, adding and subtracting, or burning your textbook in the firepit.

 

5 + 4 = 9

5 + 4 = -2

5 + 4 =

5 + 4 = Eli Whitney and the cotton gin.

 

All are one! All are embraced."

 

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You can deny maths all you want, but without it you wouldn't be driving a car or typing on a computer. Feel free to deny it. In fact, tell you what; send me your bank and credit card details and I'll test my belief in online shopping against your disbelief in maths. Perhaps you could pray that I won't spend you dry.

[Grahame]

You can deny maths all you want, but without it you wouldn't be driving a car or typing on a computer. Feel free to deny it. In fact, tell you what; send me your bank and credit card details and I'll test my belief in online shopping against your disbelief in maths. Perhaps you could pray that I won't spend you dry.

 

That is my ID represented by numbers instead of text.

[artisan]

I'm a simpleton?

 

You've made series of definite statements about things of which you cannot possibly have definite knowledge.

 

Please supply the basis for this advanced metaphysical knowledge of yours. Then explain where god came from. Then explain how you could possibly know that this god of yours only 'laid his hand on the universe once, and once only'. Then explain how you know that your god has hands. Then explain on what basis you know the gender of this god. Then explain where god is now if 'his' contact with the universe was on one-off event.

 

Please supply the basis for this advanced metaphysical knowledge of yours. Then explain why it is that so many physicists and cosmologists, who presumably have very detailed learning in their chosen specialisms, fail to share your knowledge that goddidit. Boy, they must be such simpletons!

 

Then explain how you know that the laws of physics were laid down then and are unchangeable. You seem to be remarkably knowledgeable about the 14 billion odd years that preceded your birth, but a number of cosmologists are currently discussing evidence suggesting that the laws of physics may have been different billions of years ago. Perhaps you could get in touch with them and set them straight, save 'em wasting all that time and effort. Imagine their embarrassment!

 

 

 

Wow. All that amazing knowledge, and so modest too! You, sir, are a catch.

 

Prove me wrong, my young friend, for I am correct here.

Cosmologists, pardon the pun, are as much in the dark as you are.

I am rarely wrong, and as much will be proved by the passage of time.

 

You are so busy denying the existence of a God that has no idea that you even exist, that you are missing facts screaming you in the face.

 

Not even the most brilliant man in the world can even begin to explain the behaviour of the electron causing (for instance) your VDU to light up.

Because everytime we try to chase it, it avoids us.

If we could capture its moods, then we could be creators also.

As the Yanks say, Go Figure.

[artisan]

Someone's been watching mind-numbing dross like Zeitgeist, or possibly indulging in too much YouTube...

 

I am 60 years old, and was taught these things at school, as you should have been.

I dont need foreigners to teach me about physics. Before you mention Rutherford, NZ was not independent then.