Jon Venables pleads guilty & gets 2 years

[*bobcat*]

sorry but that, as others have said, is precisely why sentencing should not be in the hands of the bereaved, as, generally, they won't be in a fit state to exercise ration, they'll just want blood. vengeance not justice.

 

 

Our judiciary has to satisfy 3 aspects when considering sentencing.

 

1, like it or not, crimes are punished by the courts and the sentence is designed to be a punishment.

2, where it is possible...we rehabilitate the offenders...but only a fool would think this could work on all crimes.

3, Particularly for high profile cases, the courts have to take public opinion in to account.

They serve the nation and have to reflect national outrage.

[BettyBooHoo!]

It's nothing to do with being calm and forgiving, it's just that BF knows, as I and others do, that pitchfork-waving solves nothing, and has the reason and rationality to say so.

 

That's right, 'pitchfork-waving' solves nothing, but a good hard poking session with it may resolve the possibility of reoffending!

[Plain Talker]

Whats unique about it..remember Mary Bell

 

And if I recall correctly, mary bell was released in 1979, after spending 12 or so years in a secure unit. and in the last 31 years, i have heard nothing about her re-offending in any way.

 

Indeed the only time we hear anything about her is when she's been hounded yet again by the gutter press, when they've found her latest location.

[NoddyHolder]

Maybe Denise Fergus does not want 'blood'...but some people on here surely do. Maybe they would like to volunteer their child executioning services for potential future psychopathic children. Not sure what that would make them, then, though.

Im totally against any kind of legalized murder by the state,i.e. executions and I believe in rehabilitation where possible,most people come out of prison and struggle to fend for themselves with very little help,people like Venables come out with a vast amount of support either financially or personalized..how many more identities does he want ?,obviously his repatriation into society,for whatever reason,did not work..where does the extended support end,or taking his actions into account since his release ,can he ever be trusted to exist without supervision?

[nb1912]

As a parent to a 7 year old girl, I can only imagine what the parents of Jamie Bulger are going through, seeing one of their childs killers let out again, only to reoffend and get a paltry sentence. He had his chance to reintegrate into civilised society and obviously cannot fit in. As long as he is out of the reform system he will be a danger to children and I for one, would sleep so much better at night, knowing that people like this are kept as far away from society as possible. Child pornography is a disgusting and unforgivable crime and should come with much harsher sentences.

[NoddyHolder]

And if I recall correctly, mary bell was released in 1979, after spending 12 or so years in a secure unit. and in the last 31 years, i have heard nothing about her re-offending in any way.

 

Indeed the only time we hear anything about her is when she's been hounded yet again by the gutter press, when they've found her latest location.

Nobody knows ,maybe because in those days ,given the lack of the internet etc her identity would maybe a lot more secure and any indiscretions could be more easily missed.Irrespective of that I raised the issue of Mary Bell to show that the offences committed by Thompson and Venables were in no way unique,if Mary Bell has been a success as re rehabilitation ,good luck to her it would then make Venables refusal to be rehabilitated less of a fault of the system and more a fault in his character with his propensity for re offending

[boyfriday]

It's nothing to do with being calm and forgiving, it's just that BF knows, as I and others do, that pitchfork-waving solves nothing, and has the reason and rationality to say so.

 

That's right PT, I think every parent presented with this situation would be beyond consolation, they might feel angry, desolate and go through a whole range of emotions, their feelings are understandable, but as you said earlier that's why the state dispenses justice, in a cold, rational way.

[danot]

Maybe Denise Fergus does not want 'blood'...but some people on here surely do. Maybe they would like to volunteer their child executioning services for potential future psychopathic children. Not sure what that would make them, then, though.

Maybe you'd like to volunteer your child or maybe grandchild for John Venables's rehabilitation programme?

[danot]

That's right PT, I think every parent presented with this situation would be beyond consolation, they might feel angry, desolate and go through a whole range of emotions, their feelings are understandable, but as you said earlier that's why the state dispenses justice, in a cold, rational way.

Although, in this instance, it isn't cold and rational. Everything the courts have passed has been designed to cater for John Venables needs.

[ricgem2002]

It's nothing to do with being calm and forgiving, it's just that BF knows, as I and others do, that pitchfork-waving solves nothing, and has the reason and rationality to say so.

and others such as i beleive pitchfork waving people solves problems to and i like you have the reason and rationality to say so whether you think thats right or wrong is your oponion .maybe a poll should have been put up at the begining of this thread to see how the forum would feel about his so called punishment .(oh by the way the pitchfork waving brigade soon showed the council what it thought about its gypsy camp proposals didnt it )