Scrapping Retirement Age

[Harleyman]

The last Labour term was absolutely disasterous. That being the case, the Cons should have won by a massive overall majority, they did not. Does that tell you anything?

 

Yes it tells me that British voters are disillusioned with Labour yet not enchanted with the Tories either.

 

 

It's therefore quite plausible that neither party will likely be able to win with a sizeable and clear majority in the forseeable future and that Coalition governments like Cameron's will be around for quite a long time

[Tony]

What I am trying to say, in my own inept way, is that this is the thin end of the wedge.

They are testing the water.

It's a tough one though arty. There are just too many old folks wanting to retire and not enough young guns to pay taxes to keep them.

 

The demographic bell curve is scary, take a look. http://anmblog.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/12/uk_population_3.gif

 

I'm in that 40something bulge who are hoping to be supported by those who are leaving school now. From that graph there will be more of me not working than those who are, and it just gets worse. I really can't see how there will be any viable state pension in 30 years.

 

We can carp on forever about how its not fair but the numbers still won't add up.

[Shipshape]

Yes it tells me that British voters are disillusioned with Labour yet not enchanted with the Tories either.

 

 

It's therefore quite plausible that neither party will likely be able to win with a sizeable and clear majority in the forseeable future and that Coalition governments like Cameron's will be around for quite a long time

 

That will not happen, I know. All that will happen in the next year or so is the tories will become too heavy handed, like bullyboys attempting to blame labour for the pain that they are trying to inflinct, there will be fighting in the streets followed by a change of direction, or a change of government.

[HeadingNorth]

Yes it tells me that British voters are disillusioned with Labour yet not enchanted with the Tories either.

 

Which is incorrect. What it should tell you is how badly biased the current set of constituencies are; the amount of votes that the Tories secured would have given Labour a majority of nearly a hundred, but because the average Labour constituency is a good deal smaller than the average Conservative, the Tories didn't get a majority at all.

[Harleyman]

That will not happen, I know.

 

 

 

Are you trying to convince me or convince yourself?

[artisan]

You call this drivel sensible? I see it as the rantings of an old Socialist Joe, a dinausaur left over from the fifties and sixties, embittered by changes he doesnt like, alienated by Nu Labour, the mourner of the demise of Communism and of course the eternal hater of America.

 

 

Dont blame Thatcher for bringing the country down. Your kind were doing that long before she came along

 

I know all about it boyo

 

I was just agreeing with you, saying what a good bloke Cameron was, for turning his back on you lot.

It is only 20 minutes or so you were saying that Cameron was the saviour.

Make your mind up, you either love him because he hates the workers, or hate him because he has dissed your pathetic Uncle Tom president.

[Harleyman]

Which is incorrect. What it should tell you is how badly biased the current set of constituencies are; the amount of votes that the Tories secured would have given Labour a majority of nearly a hundred, but because the average Labour constituency is a good deal smaller than the average Conservative, the Tories didn't get a majority at all.

 

 

 

I find that hard to believe taking into account big cities like Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool, Newcastle and the smaller midland and northern industrial cities such as Sheffield, Nottingham etc would have smaller labour constituencies than the Tory.

 

Even voters in rural areas in the midlands and points north have always leaned towards labour

 

Hate to burst your bubble but Brown did a lot of damage to Labour and people aren't forgiving when elections come around.

 

George Bush a perfect example

[Shipshape]

Are you trying to convince me or convince yourself?

 

I never saw a point in attempting to convince bigots of anything. So no.

[artisan]

I find that hard to believe taking into account big cities like Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool, Newcastle and the smaller midland and northern industrial cities such as Sheffield, Nottingham etc would have smaller labour constituencies than the Tory.

 

Even voters in rural areas in the midlands and points north have always leaned towards labour

 

Hate to burst your bubble but Brown did a lot of damage to Labour and people aren't forgiving when elections come around.

 

George Bush a perfect example

 

How do you know all this, about England, when you live in a sheltered little world like the USA?

From what I understand no one in the USA even knows where other countries are.

Most of the lads in Vietnam didnt even know they were outside America.

They thought they had been invaded.

I honestly dont think, Harleyman, that you have been further than the end of your street, never mind overseas.

[rubydazzler]

I find that hard to believe taking into account big cities like Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool, Newcastle and the smaller midland and northern industrial cities such as Sheffield, Nottingham etc would have smaller labour constituencies than the Tory. [snip]

The point being made was that the major cities and large towns have multiple constituences within them, whereas country constituences have vast areas with small populations.

 

For instance, you may remember that Sheffield returns 6 MPS to Parliament, whereas a country constituency would be as large or larger than Sheffield and return only one MP.