Coalition drop plans to extend the smoking ban to include beer gardens.

[wednesday1]

..and yet a good pub that isn't owned by greedy plastic pubcos thrives with the smoking ban AND a self-imposed ban on smoking in half the beer garden.

 

It's not the smoking ban that is killing the pub trade...

 

 

I agree with that sentiment, but I do think that pubs should be allowed to have a smoking room, but I can't see smoking coming back into pubs now.

[SnailyBoy]

Last month saw the 3rd anniversary of the smoking ban in public enclosed places. This legislation is most associated with smoking in pubs and clubs. The Labour Government had planned a review on this anniversary with a view to extending the ban to include beer gardens, outside seating areas, and areas around doorways.

The coalition government have dropped the planned review and therefore the smoking ban will not now be extended for the forseable future.

Do you think this is the right move?

 

Have you got a link?

 

Edit

 

Found it

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1298598/Smoking-ban-extension-outlaw-lighting-outside-pubs-axed.html

[wednesday1]

Well seeing Sheffield has the worst air quality in the country, I don't think the odd fag in the beer garden is going to alter that figure by any significant amount.

 

 

Where have you got this from? The air quality in Sheff is much better than many cities in the UK, Sheffield came 9th out of 20 in the article below:

 

Newcastle 'greenest' British city

 

Newcastle was praised for emerging from its industrial past to go green

Newcastle upon Tyne has been named as Britain's greenest city in a think tank's annual study.

 

Forum for the Future looked at the sustainability of the 20 biggest cities, measuring factors such as air quality, wildlife and quality of life.

 

As well as greenest city, Newcastle was the overall most sustainable, beating 2008 winner Bristol into second.

 

Brighton and Hove came third, with Leicester fourth and London fifth. Edinburgh was seventh and Cardiff 10th.

 

Apart from environmental performance, the study measured indicators of quality of life and how well prepared the cities were for the future.

 

'Industrial heritage'

 

This involved looking at issues such as action on climate change and the vibrancy of the local economy.

 

BRITAIN'S SUSTAINABLE CITIES

1. Newcastle

2. Bristol

3. Brighton and Hove

4. Leicester

5. London

6. Leeds

7. Edinburgh

8. Nottingham

9. Sheffield

10. Cardiff

Newcastle topped the environmental rankings, which included measures on air quality, wildlife and residents' "ecological footprint" - the amount of land it takes to provide them with food, transport, housing, goods and services.

 

It also performed well in quality of life measures such as life expectancy and education, plus its planning for the future, to rise overall in the table from fourth last year and eighth place in 2007.

 

Peter Madden, chief executive of Forum for the Future, said: "Cities with an industrial heritage face genuine challenges, but Newcastle's success shows that it is possible to overcome the legacy of the past and perform well on many measures of sustainability.

 

"We hope it will inspire other cities to redouble their efforts."

 

'Ecological footprint target'

 

Edinburgh slipped down one place in the rankings, compared with last year, to seventh overall. However, it came top in education, employment and air quality.

 

Meanwhile, Cardiff fell from fifth to 10th in the league table and dropped from third to 18th on environmental performance.

 

Plymouth fell from third to 12th overall.

 

Hull came 20th, but Forum for the Future said that on the sustainability table its best results had been in the areas of planning for the future.

 

It said this suggested improvements in other sectors could be close.

 

The report warned that there was still a need for cities to reduce the average "ecological footprint" from its current level of five hectares per person to two hectares in order to prevent Britain's biggest cities using up more resources than the planet could sustain.

[Bedders]

Where have you got this from? The air quality in Sheff is much better than many cities in the UK, Sheffield came 9th out of 20 in the article below:

 

Newcastle 'greenest' British city

 

Newcastle was praised for emerging from its industrial past to go green

Newcastle upon Tyne has been named as Britain's greenest city in a think tank's annual study.

 

Forum for the Future looked at the sustainability of the 20 biggest cities, measuring factors such as air quality, wildlife and quality of life.

 

As well as greenest city, Newcastle was the overall most sustainable, beating 2008 winner Bristol into second.

 

Brighton and Hove came third, with Leicester fourth and London fifth. Edinburgh was seventh and Cardiff 10th.

 

Apart from environmental performance, the study measured indicators of quality of life and how well prepared the cities were for the future.

 

'Industrial heritage'

 

This involved looking at issues such as action on climate change and the vibrancy of the local economy.

 

BRITAIN'S SUSTAINABLE CITIES

1. Newcastle

2. Bristol

3. Brighton and Hove

4. Leicester

5. London

6. Leeds

7. Edinburgh

8. Nottingham

9. Sheffield

10. Cardiff

Newcastle topped the environmental rankings, which included measures on air quality, wildlife and residents' "ecological footprint" - the amount of land it takes to provide them with food, transport, housing, goods and services.

 

It also performed well in quality of life measures such as life expectancy and education, plus its planning for the future, to rise overall in the table from fourth last year and eighth place in 2007.

 

Peter Madden, chief executive of Forum for the Future, said: "Cities with an industrial heritage face genuine challenges, but Newcastle's success shows that it is possible to overcome the legacy of the past and perform well on many measures of sustainability.

 

"We hope it will inspire other cities to redouble their efforts."

 

'Ecological footprint target'

 

Edinburgh slipped down one place in the rankings, compared with last year, to seventh overall. However, it came top in education, employment and air quality.

 

Meanwhile, Cardiff fell from fifth to 10th in the league table and dropped from third to 18th on environmental performance.

 

Plymouth fell from third to 12th overall.

 

Hull came 20th, but Forum for the Future said that on the sustainability table its best results had been in the areas of planning for the future.

 

It said this suggested improvements in other sectors could be close.

 

The report warned that there was still a need for cities to reduce the average "ecological footprint" from its current level of five hectares per person to two hectares in order to prevent Britain's biggest cities using up more resources than the planet could sustain.

 

Fair point you can always find an article to state the opposite. I'm talking solely of Nitrogen Dioxide emmissions....fuming nitric acid which combines with oxygen and forms nitrogen dioxide and causes lung edemas in human beings. Catcliffe / Tinsley / Brinsworth are absolutely shocking...right next to where most people go shopping at Meadowhall. Depends on the person & accuracy of survey but I'd like to hazard a guess that a lot of people find themselves strolling around Meadowhall more than they do utilizing the open green spaces we have in Sheffield.

 

http://sheffieldairmap.org/data_brinsworth.html

 

Indicators on the flower area (near meadowahall / wincobank) of number of lung realted diseaase seem to back this up. There were about 40 deaths in this area related to lung disease (under 75 years of age) in 2005 & in 2008 it was up to 105 deaths (just in this area). Look some up...

 

http://www.sheffield.nhs.uk/healthdata/atlas/NHoodSingle0410/atlas.html

[Fareast]

A government actually plans NOT to ban something !! Wow, this must be a turning point in the U.K. Social History of the past 20 years or so. The Control Freaks must be spinning in their committee rooms and scratching their Out-reach departments in a blind fury !

 

It is now time for us smokers to launch a counter-attack whilst the going is good :- A massive ' Smokers' Pride Day ' with floats galore and people dressed up as cigarettes, cigars or pipes ; the re-introduction of ' sweet cigarettes ' so that our little tots grow up to regard smoking with repect and pleasure ; a massive reduction in tobacco tax, so that once again, old grandad can enjoy a good puff in his favourite beer-garden..........this is just the beginning however.

 

...........Later, we will be tackling advertising, transport........etc......Old films such as

' Casablanca ' will be shown daily on T.V. and special guests will be invited to speak about how they have reached the age of a 100, and have been smoking 20 a day since they were 7 years old.

 

The revolution has begun ! To the barricades, mes amis ! You have nothing to lose but your Woodbines !

[Bulgarian]

Having too many people congregating at the front entrance must be a fire hazzard to others that may need exit the building in an emmergency.

 

yeah, 'cause in the evnt of a fire the smokers are all going to stay stood there lighting their fags of the flames.

[mj.scuba]

Last month saw the 3rd anniversary of the smoking ban in public enclosed places. This legislation is most associated with smoking in pubs and clubs. The Labour Government had planned a review on this anniversary with a view to extending the ban to include beer gardens, outside seating areas, and areas around doorways.

The coalition government have dropped the planned review and therefore the smoking ban will not now be extended for the forseable future.

Do you think this is the right move?

 

Spot on I think. Give a government an inch they'll take it a mile. I'm sure a Labour government which revelled in nannying it's citizens would have extended the ban to beer gardens and door ways......and then where next? In your own car, in your own home, in the street, not within 500 yards of any other person, animal or building?

 

The government should be congratulated.

[Treatment]

Why not just ban smoking altogether ?

[truman]

Why not just ban smoking altogether ?

 

Which tax would you like to see raised if this ever happened?

[emma royd]

Fair point you can always find an article to state the opposite. I'm talking solely of Nitrogen Dioxide emmissions....fuming nitric acid which combines with oxygen and forms nitrogen dioxide and causes lung edemas in human beings. Catcliffe / Tinsley / Brinsworth are absolutely shocking...right next to where most people go shopping at Meadowhall. Depends on the person & accuracy of survey but I'd like to hazard a guess that a lot of people find themselves strolling around Meadowhall more than they do utilizing the open green spaces we have in Sheffield.

 

http://sheffieldairmap.org/data_brinsworth.html

 

Indicators on the flower area (near meadowahall / wincobank) of number of lung realted diseaase seem to back this up. There were about 40 deaths in this area related to lung disease (under 75 years of age) in 2005 & in 2008 it was up to 105 deaths (just in this area). Look some up...

 

http://www.sheffield.nhs.uk/healthdata/atlas/NHoodSingle0410/atlas.html

 

What has this got to do with smoking in pubs? It is a totally seperate issue and one which a totally seperate piece of legislation will tackle.