Toby Foster and Harrow Halal meat

[Grahame]

Sorry but could you back up that claim with some evidence please?

 

All the way through the thread you are promoting the Muslim side by saying halal is fine and the animals are fine, and it is humane to cut an animals throat and hang it up to bleed to death. These are the things a Muslim would say.

[poppins]

You mean like eating at KFC, Maccy D's, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Domino's... oh, hang on, they're all American!!!!!

 

The biggest threat to British-ness is not the little brown people from the Eastern part of the world; it's the far western types who have covertly changed the British way of life. But because they're the same colour as us, it sort of went unnoticed.

 

Yes but don't Brits eat that crap Indian food that stinks

[boyfriday]

All the way through the thread you are promoting the Muslim side by saying halal is fine and the animals are fine, and it is humane to cut an animals throat and hang it up to bleed to death. These are the things a Muslim would say.

 

That isn't an example of 'prejudice' or an example of what I've been saying.

 

I've defended the pre-stunning of animals prior to slaughter consistently throughout this thread. I've been challenging your statements because you're prepared to tell untruths to discredit your fellow man and elevate your own position.

 

So far you've provided no proof that the meat being supplied by Harrison Catering Services to some Harrow schools hasn't been pre-stun, that's the important point. If it isn't pre-stunned then I'll join in the condemnation.

 

I've provided evidence of other LEA's insisting that halal meat is pre-stunned, you then claimed that it isn't true and someone must be lying-that's prejudice because you're prejudging an outcome before you have any evidence to support it.

[Grahame]

That isn't an example of 'prejudice' or an example of what I've been saying.

 

I've defended the pre-stunning of animals prior to slaughter consistently throughout this thread. I've been challenging your statements because you're prepared to tell untruths to discredit your fellow man and elevate your own position.

 

So far you've provided no proof that the meat being supplied by Harrison Catering Services to some Harrow schools hasn't been pre-stun, that's the important point. If it isn't pre-stunned then I'll join in the condemnation.

 

I've provided evidence of other LEA's insisting that halal meat is pre-stunned, you then claimed that it isn't true and someone must be lying-that's prejudice because you're prejudging an outcome before you have any evidence to support it.

 

Suit yourself.

[boyfriday]

Yes but don't Brits eat that crap Indian food that stinks

 

..at least it don't promise you a life with a colostomy bag like that over processed American crap

[boyfriday]

Suit yourself.

 

LOL, I guess that's the sad sigh of defeat?

[Grahame]

"The issue of stunning is very delicate (whether done by captive bolt stun, electric head stun or electrified water bath), in the sense that there are many conditions and criteria that must be considered. Firstly for reason of the animals' welfare, the act of stunning is extremely disliked and according to some even reaches the stage of being Haram, as it causes the animal unnecessary suffering. Thereafter even more importantly is how it affects the Islamic ruling on the animal as to whether or not it is fit for Muslim consumption.

 

The Islamic criteria that must be met while slaughtering the animals are clear-cut; any deviation from them will render the animal unfit for Muslim consumption. Amongst the guidelines established for a Halal slaughter is the unwavering fundamental that the animal must be alive at the time of slaughter and the blood must be drained out.

 

It has been witnessed that on many occasions animals subjected to stunning arrive at the slaughterer dead. This is due to either the unbearably high voltage or a delay in the time it takes to get to the slaughterer if the stunning is irreversible. Sometimes it can also be because animals are drowned in the stunning tank.

 

It has been noted that the problem of dead animals reaching the slaughterer is invariably present in all the slaughterhouses that use the stunning method. The research also states that animals, especially chickens die prior to slaughter due to stunning. It is also proven that a large amount of blood remains in the animal which renders it Haram. The animal is also deprived of the effects of tasmiyyah as it would be unconscious at the time of slaughter.

 

Also what needs to be understood is that there is no pressure from the side of the government of the United Kingdom forcing Muslims to adopt such inhumane methods of slaughter. Therefore because of all the negative aspects of stunning, the Halal Monitoring Committee has set a blanket ruling disallowing stunning in any form."

 

http://www.halalmc.co.uk/resources/issue_stunning.html

[boyfriday]

Also what needs to be understood is that there is no pressure from the side of the government of the United Kingdom forcing Muslims to adopt such inhumane methods of slaughter. Therefore because of all the negative aspects of stunning, the Halal Monitoring Committee has set a blanket ruling disallowing stunning in any form."

 

http://www.halalmc.co.uk/resources/issue_stunning.html

 

Don't necessarily disagree with any of that, there is no pressure being exerted by the government (there should be), but there is by the large organisations that halal wholesale butchers are wanting to sell into.

 

Sheffield City Council are not being compelled by the government to only allow pre-stunned meat, nor are KFC, they're doing it off their own bat and usually when commercial pressures prevail, people find ways to comply with the requirements of their customers-hence the work of Bristol University in producing a stunner that doesn't induce death and is acceptable to the Halal Food Authority (link provided previously).

[Grahame]

Don't necessarily disagree with any of that, there is no pressure being exerted by the government (there should be), but there is by the large organisations that halal wholesale butchers are wanting to sell into.

 

Sheffield City Council are not being compelled by the government to only allow pre-stunned meat, nor are KFC, they're doing it off their own bat and usually when commercial pressures prevail, people find ways to comply with the requirements of their customers-hence the work of Bristol University in producing a stunner that doesn't induce death and is acceptable to the Halal Food Authority (link provided previously).

 

There is a list here of certified suppliers of halal meat.

http://www.halalmc.co.uk/resources/issue_stunning.html

 

KFC are not on.

 

Islam does NOT allow pre-stunning.

 

When are you going to stop it.

[1ofTheseDays]

Oh give me a Wimpy any day of the week http://meish.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/wimpy.gif

 

Bring back Wimpy!!