boyfriday Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 You shouldn't mislead people like that. There is a video here, the first few seconds show the English way which is instantaneous, then it shows the Islamic way. There is a lot of blood and if you are squeamish I suggest you don't watch it. http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96873 What makes you think the clip is from English slaughterhouses? And as you know, 90% of halal livestock in the UK is pre-stunned prior to slaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahame Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 You shouldn't call people a barmpot PT and I do know what I am talking about. You need reporting for insulting me by calling me an ignoramus and a barmpot. Pot, kettle, black, grahame? As I said, when you know what you're talking about.... Anyway, if the video only shows the first few seconds of the "English" way, then of course the Islamic one will be more bloody, as the English slaughter won't have got to the "Sticking" of the animal. You are a barmpot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llb1984 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 You shouldn't call people a barmpot PT and I do know what I am talking about. You need reporting for insulting me by calling me an ignoramus and a barmpot. ahh i see everyone has resorted back to being 5 year olds calling names and sniping at each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahame Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 ahh i see everyone has resorted back to being 5 year olds calling names and sniping at each other. Only one person is name calling and that is PT I also notice that you are taking a snipe at me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Only one person is name calling and that is PT I also notice that you are taking a snipe at me. PT the forum moderator no less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 They're not referring to halal meat that's been pre-stunned though. Pre-stunned is fine if it is consumed by those who require their diet to be either Halal or Kosher. The problem is the rest of us who do not subscribe to either of these religions being forced to each these meats by way of appeasing a minority. If Halal is no different why do Muslims need to eat it? If its not a problem for us to eat Halal, why do Muslims refuse to eat Kosher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 You shouldn't mislead people like that. There is a video here, the first few seconds show the English way which is instantaneous, then it shows the Islamic way. There is a lot of blood and if you are squeamish I suggest you don't watch it. http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96873 Unless anatomy and physiology has changed from when I was at university, but consciousness is lost after merely seconds if the brain is starved of blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahame Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Unless anatomy and physiology has changed from when I was at university, but consciousness is lost after merely seconds if the brain is starved of blood. The video proves you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahame Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Pre-stunned is fine if it is consumed by those who require their diet to be either Halal or Kosher. The problem is the rest of us who do not subscribe to either of these religions being forced to each these meats by way of appeasing a minority. If Halal is no different why do Muslims need to eat it? If its not a problem for us to eat Halal, why do Muslims refuse to eat Kosher? Pre-stunning is horrible. It gives the animal a terrible electric shock, but often fails to make them unconscious. If you combine both methods, pre-stunning and then bleeding to death you end up with horrible torture. Again, please be warned the video is distressing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV0aeeos0sY&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Pre-stunned is fine if it is consumed by those who require their diet to be either Halal or Kosher. The problem is the rest of us who do not subscribe to either of these religions being forced to each these meats by way of appeasing a minority. But we're not forced to eat it, since we have a choice, the only thing that might get in the way of that choice is if the meat isn't clearly labelled. If Halal is no different why do Muslims need to eat it? If its not a problem for us to eat Halal, why do Muslims refuse to eat Kosher?..because it's had some mumbo jumbo ranted over it and if pre stunned, done in such a way that the stunning doesn't induce death. Neither of those requirements affects the quality of the meat and therefore the food I enjoy eating, that's why it makes no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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