What existed before the big bang? Something must have!

[danot]

You don't have a point. We may not be capable of comprehending the universe, but we can certainly comprehend basic logic. If a given claim leads to a self-contradiction, it is not possible under any circumstances whatsoever for that claim to be true - inside the Universe or outside of it.

Changing the subject just for a min, what about the chicken and the egg... what's the logical explanation?

[JFKvsNixon]

Changing the subject just for a min, what about the chicken and the egg... what's the logical explanation?

 

It is thought that birds may have evolved from dinosaurs, so the answer could well be a dinosaur!

[danot]

It is thought that birds may have evolved from dinosaurs, so the answer could well be a dinosaur!

.. In that case, what came first then... the dinosaur or the egg?

[JFKvsNixon]

.. In that case, what came first then... the dinosaur or the egg?

 

You'd probably have to go back to some primitive sea creature and an egg, and then start looking at some single cell creatures and how they reproduced.

[danot]

You'd probably have to go back to some primitive sea creature and an egg, and then start looking at some single cell creatures and how they reproduced.

But we can't, so what does elementary logic tell us?

[JFKvsNixon]

But we can't, so what does elementary logical tell us?

 

What makes you think that we haven't or can't? We can see how single cell creatures reproduce today, we can also look at fossils of single cell creatures.

[HeadingNorth]

But we can't, so what does elementary logic tell us?

 

Logic tells us that some sort of creature must have come before the egg, in order to lay it. Observation tells us that it was probably a proto-reptile.

 

(More recent observations since the last time I read up on archaeology might, by now, have a better idea of exactly what.)

[danot]

Try to understand what not existing means. It doesn't mean a large empty space, it does mean a really quiet room. It means there was nothing. No existence, no time, no space, no concept of before because there was nothing to be before and nothing to create the big bang because existence hadn't happened.

We don't have a way to explain what before time means because we can't really imagine what 'time didn't exist' means, but that's what you have to try to do.

 

My bold

 

"Nothing to create the big bang"... now that's a contradiction.. you know what that means don't you?

[JFKvsNixon]

Does evolution follow logic though, can environmental forces force some seemingly illogical evolutionary changes?

[HeadingNorth]

My bold

 

"Nothing to create the big bang"... now that's a contradiction.. you know what that means don't you?

 

But apparently you don't. There is no contradiction in that sentence. The Big Bang may have occurred spontaneously without necessity for something to have created it.