Does Sheffield Forum reflect..

[melthebell]

Nothing just another 'Westernerphobic' topic.

utter rubbish and you know it.

accepting people as equal human beings is NOT westernophobic

accepting a type of person is human and have the same attributes and problems as the next human is NOT westernophobic

 

and before you say it, accepting run of the mill innocent everyday muslims DOES NOT mean you support terrorism

 

you really do live in the narrowest of narrow worlds dont you?

[NoddyHolder]

utter rubbish and you know it.

accepting people as equal human beings is NOT westernophobic

accepting a type of person is human and have the same attributes and problems as the next human is NOT westernophobic

 

and before you say it, accepting run of the mill innocent everyday muslims DOES NOT mean you support terrorism

 

you really do live in the narrowest of narrow worlds dont you?

Fool its nothing to do with individuals its the total concept of the religion and its beliefs etc thats the problem,its ignorant people like you and others on here that personalise it and feel the need to hand labels out

[Mecky]

utter rubbish and you know it.

accepting people as equal human beings is NOT westernophobic

accepting a type of person is human and have the same attributes and problems as the next human is NOT westernophobic

 

and before you say it, accepting run of the mill innocent everyday muslims DOES NOT mean you support terrorism

 

you really do live in the narrowest of narrow worlds dont you?

 

Here we go again, another poor attempt at discreditation by absurdity. You do realise that nobody can win an argument? You cannot change peoples' opinions, all it does is entrench people further into their own opinions.

[melthebell]

Fool its nothing to do with individuals its the total concept of the religion and its beliefs etc thats the problem,its ignorant people like you and others on here that personalise it and feel the need to hand labels out

 

but each individual has their OWN interpretation of the religion so both are one and the same.

you cannot slag off the religion using the usual suspects (terrorism, burkas etc) when theres varying types of person involved, they dont all live the same way

 

you cannot put everybody in a "muslim box" like everything in life everybodys different

[Bloomdido]

I have decided to go and strike up conversation with people wearing burkas (I find they are predominantly women) so that they feel less cut off and excluded when in the wider community.

[boyfriday]

I have decided to go and strike up conversation with people wearing burkas (I find they are predominantly women) so that they feel less cut off and excluded when in the wider community.

 

..try it Bloomdido, once they've overcome the surprise of a total stranger striking up a conversation with them, you might be equally surprised by their positive reaction

[boyfriday]

but each individual has their OWN interpretation of the religion so both are one and the same.

you cannot slag off the religion using the usual suspects (terrorism, burkas etc) when theres varying types of person involved, they dont all live the same way

 

you cannot put everybody in a "muslim box" like everything in life everybodys different

 

Indeed mel, it's like saying everyone from Sheffield is the same, we might share some common qualities but all of us are different-especially Wednesdayites.

[icon76]

but each individual has their OWN interpretation of the religion so both are one and the same.

you cannot slag off the religion using the usual suspects (terrorism, burkas etc) when theres varying types of person involved, they dont all live the same way

 

you cannot put everybody in a "muslim box" like everything in life everybodys different

 

I think you'll find islam says otherwise (and other ideaoligies too).

 

The nature of an absolutist ideaoligy is that Allan, or Adolph or whoever says this is what we beleive and then we all join in and believe that. Islam is absolutist, even more so than Nazism...not only does it have total say over every aspect of an individuals life and behavious it also has total sway over their imaginary afterlife. As a guide for an "individualist lifestyle" as you claim it's Hitler on crack.

 

Of course their are loads of lovely warm kind people who call themsleves muslims. When you would be at best shunned by your community and at worst tortured and killed for turning your back on the vitriolic rubbish of the koran can you blame them for pretending to believe all that guff?

 

Any cult that demands death for those who leave it as islam does will clearly have lots of members who claim adherence not through belief but through fear. Fear of violence, economic disadvantage and familly alienation.

 

Those brave enough to leave the cult speak of all these things. But just because many decent people call themselves muslim, through fear, through brainwashing , through desire to please family...should we not speak out against the depravities of those who embrace islam literally?

 

Do we feel all warm and fuzzy about the lady in iran who has been sentanced to be stoned to death for adultery, "reprieved", then paraded on tv "confessing to her husbands murder" today (the interviewer did the confessing - she just sobbed) so these islamist swine can hang her and claim everything is fine?

 

Any system which calls for death of those who leave it is a cult and an extremely dangerous cult at that, and the global slaughter perpetrated by the "true believers" cannot be argued to be anything but proof of that.

 

We don't do those trapped in islam by the many pressures islam exerts any favours by telling them and their true believing captors that islam is a wonderful religion of peace.

[melthebell]

I think you'll find islam says otherwise (and other ideaoligies too).

 

The nature of an absolutist ideaoligy is that Allan, or Adolph or whoever says this is what we beleive and then we all join in and believe that. Islam is absolutist, even more so than Nazism...not only does it have total say over every aspect of an individuals life and behavious it also has total sway over their imaginary afterlife. As a guide for an "individualist lifestyle" as you claim it's Hitler on crack.

 

Of course their are loads of lovely warm kind people who call themsleves muslims. When you would be at best shunned by your community and at worst tortured and killed for turning your back on the vitriolic rubbish of the koran can you blame them for pretending to believe all that guff?

 

Any cult that demands death for those who leave it as islam does will clearly have lots of members who claim adherence not through belief but through fear. Fear of violence, economic disadvantage and familly alienation.

 

Those brave enough to leave the cult speak of all these things. But just because many decent people call themselves muslim, through fear, through brainwashing , through desire to please family...should we not speak out against the depravities of those who embrace islam literally?

 

Do we feel all warm and fuzzy about the lady in iran who has been sentanced to be stoned to death for adultery, "reprieved", then paraded on tv "confessing to her husbands murder" today (the interviewer did the confessing - she just sobbed) so these islamist swine can hang her and claim everything is fine?

 

Any system which calls for death of those who leave it is a cult and an extremely dangerous cult at that, and the global slaughter perpetrated by the "true believers" cannot be argued to be anything but proof of that.

 

We don't do those trapped in islam by the many pressures islam exerts any favours by telling them and their true believing captors that islam is a wonderful religion of peace.

 

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you just cant do it can you?

[icon76]

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you just cant do it can you?

 

If you mean glibbly let others be oppressed in the name of "open mindedness", no I can't.

 

If you mean accept that "other cultures" which are "equally valid" might kill the odd daughter for wearing makeup or looking at the wrong boy, no I can't.

 

If you mean accept that in a nation which has done more to advance genuine human rights that any other we should just roll over and accept that if someone mentions islam they get to call the shots acording to some 7th century brigands moral code rather than English law, no I can't.

 

If that's a matter of censure for you then your moral compass was bought from the same place the unmissed dour Scotsman's was.