Enough is enough-A Radical New York Approach to Crime

[dell12]

Because they know it aint worth reporting.

 

Not true.

 

There are always 2 sets of figures produced. There are official crime statistics which record all crimes that have been reports to the police, which show crime has halved since 1992.

 

There are also the British Crime Survey figures which ask a large sample of people if they have been a victim of crime in the last year. They are totally independent of the police and government and they also show crime has roughly halved since 1992.

[Vague_Boy]

100% yes please!

 

Agreed.

 

The police should also be blocked from rewriting the statute books to suit their own convenience.

 

For example, the police will often let off possessors of cannabis if it's deemed by them for "personal use".

 

Now I didn't realize that the law against cannabis runs thus:

 

Possession and use of cannabis is illegal except when the police can't be arsed to do anything about it.

 

The law states "up to 5 years in jail for possession". It doesn't say anything about cannabis for personal use being allowed.

 

The police are rewriting laws to fit in with their bone-idle approach to policing. The result? Well, just look around you.

[Harleyman]

One law that was passed in California years ago helped reduce crime considerably and drove a lot of the habitual criminals out of state was the Three Strikes Law.

 

A habitual criminal who was convicted of a crime for a third time got life in jail automatically even if it was something as minor as shop lifiting.

 

It wasn't popular in neighboring states such as Arizona. Oregon and Washington as the Three Strikes Law drove many of the worst criminal gangs into their states but it did make the big California cities a bit safer nevertheless and that was the end objective

 

 

Spotter helicopters now do a lot of the work in locating felons fleeing on foot or in cars and once the chopper gets a fix on a car it's very rare that they'll get away and when the call comes in a chopper can be airborn very quickly Foot patrols and bicycles have the disadvantage of eliminating the ability to be able to pursue felons who mostly commit crimes while in cars or at least in my part of the world anyway

[Loubbe]

One law that was passed in California years ago helped reduce crime considerably and drove a lot of the habitual criminals out of state was the Three Strikes Law.

 

A habitual criminal who was convicted of a crime for a third time got life in jail automatically even if it was something as minor as shop lifiting.

 

It wasn't popular in neighboring states such as Arizona. Oregon and Washington as the Three Strikes Law drove many of the worst criminal gangs into their states but it did make the big California cities a bit safer nevertheless and that was the end objective

 

 

Spotter helicopters now do a lot of the work in locating felons fleeing on foot or in cars and once the chopper gets a fix on a car it's very rare that they'll get away and when the call comes in a chopper can be airborn very quickly Foot patrols and bicycles have the disadvantage of eliminating the ability to be able to pursue felons who mostly commit crimes while in cars or at least in my part of the world anyway

 

 

The three strikes law is not without its critics. Violent crime actually rose in california between 2002 and 2008. Plus there are thoughts that those on their third offence are more likely to commit violence in order to leave no witnesses or escape capture

[Harleyman]

The three strikes law is not without its critics. Violent crime actually rose in california between 2002 and 2008. Plus there are thoughts that those on their third offence are more likely to commit violence in order to leave no witnesses or escape capture

 

Every law may have a downside but overall it achieved it's purpose. A two time offender who plans another robbery or other crime is more likely to go to another state to do it.

[Loubbe]

Every law may have a downside but overall it achieved it's purpose. A two time offender who plans another robbery or other crime is more likely to go to another state to do it.

 

If acheiving it's purpose was to raise crime in the adjacent areas, then yes it did! I don't disagree with zero tolerance, but it needs to be supported by wider social policies. It is no use going round the city centre hoovering up homeless if they just get dumped somewhere else. Those deemed mentally ill should be treated and monitored, instead of being unsupervised in the community. Crimes are committed for many reasons, therefore it seems that a simple solution will not be appropriate for a complex problem

[Bounce]

crime is still a major problem outisde Manhatten, the solution is more along the lines of the Saudi Arabian model.

[Harleyman]

If acheiving it's purpose was to raise crime in the adjacent areas, then yes it did! I don't disagree with zero tolerance, but it needs to be supported by wider social policies. It is no use going round the city centre hoovering up homeless if they just get dumped somewhere else. Those deemed mentally ill should be treated and monitored, instead of being unsupervised in the community. Crimes are committed for many reasons, therefore it seems that a simple solution will not be appropriate for a complex problem

 

Ironically enough people with mental problems but not dangerous to others were confined in institutions in California and then in the early 1980s the "do gooder liberals" said that keeping them confined was unconstitutional and they were all released.

 

Many of the others are alcoholics or drug abusers and sadly some are Vietnam veterans. The vagrancy laws that existed back a few decades ago are now unenforcible and as long as they are no threat to others or doing anything illegal the police have no powers of arrest.

 

Most crimes are not committed by the homeless anyway