Honour killings - Crimewave

[Grahame]

Perhaps because there is no connection with Islam?

 

There is a problem with honour killings in the Arab world, a problem not solely Islamic as others have mentioned, Hindus and Christians are involved too.

 

Similarly there is also a big problem in South America. Which has nothing to do with any of those religions.

 

The issue is a cultural one and comes from mysogeny.

 

To try to reduce it down to one religion is to ignore the facts of the matter, and worse still it actually hinders dealing with it because it misplaces responsibility and blames the religion and belief of those muslim women on the ground campaigning for stronger legal protections.

 

Quite often people who commit these horrendous acts are following the Old Testament and because people don't know the difference between Judaism and Christianity they are incorrectly called Christians. For example there are Jews who convert to Christianity but they still cling to the Old Testament teaching and this happened a lot in the time of Jesus as well.

 

As Jesus is held up as a prophet in Islam and for those who don't know the difference between Islam and Christianity, if they hear Muslims talking about Jesus, then they will think Muslims are Christians.

[Wildcat]

islam........ i saw old people being burned alive today, burned alive. slowly. and as they tried to crawl away they were beaten then set alight again. that was done by so called christians. where i pause for thought is powerful christian leaders would be as appauled as me seeing such evil.

but i see powerful muslims demanding such action to be taken, why is that?

 

You will probably see powerful muslims condoning the behaviour because they are a product of the culture where there is a problem. You will see many more however condemning it.

 

If you look further afield you will see examples of Christian and secular defenders of mysogenistic laws in places like Argentina, Ecuador, Guatamala and Brazil condoning similar behaviour.

 

UN Report

[Grahame]

You will probably see powerful muslims condoning the behaviour because they are a product of the culture where there is a problem. You will see many more however condemning it.

 

If you look further afield you will see examples of Christian and secular defenders of mysogenistic laws in places like Argentina, Ecuador, Guatamala and Brazil condoning similar behaviour.

 

UN Report

 

I cannot see where it mentions Christians Wildcat, would you mind pointing to the relevant section please.

[stackrock]

I cannot see where it mentions Christians Wildcat, would you mind pointing to the relevant section please.

 

beat me to it:(

[hard2miss]

Obviously all murder is wrong but what you are forgetting is that very few English people are Christians while under Islam everyone is a Muslim.

 

So all murders that are committed by those who follow the Koran are committed by Muslims, while murders in England are committed by atheists, agnostics, satanists, humanists, and people of no religion.

 

Are they not atheists ?

[Wildcat]

Quite often people who commit these horrendous acts are following the Old Testament and because people don't know the difference between Judaism and Christianity they are incorrectly called Christians. For example there are Jews who convert to Christianity but they still cling to the Old Testament teaching and this happened a lot in the time of Jesus as well.

 

As Jesus is held up as a prophet in Islam and for those who don't know the difference between Islam and Christianity, if they hear Muslims talking about Jesus, then they will think Muslims are Christians.

 

Grahame,

 

generally the Pentateuch is considered to be the word of God by Christians. They do however deal with the problematic passages in different ways depending upon their denomination. Just as there are a variety of views on the subject amongst Jewish and Muslim scholars.

 

Whilst as you have argued there is literal turth in the passages, no religion actually goes about enacting the laws like the punishments for sowing seeds in different fields or wearing mixed fabrics.

 

Your simplistic statements on religion don't do your faith and beliefs credit, nor do they accurately describe those of other religions.

 

All of which is fascinating, but irrelevant to the topic which is about mysogenistic cultures and looking constructively at the issue and how it can effectively be addressed.

[Wildcat]

I cannot see where it mentions Christians Wildcat, would you mind pointing to the relevant section please.

 

They are Christian Countries are they not?

 

First one on the list Brazil 74% Catholic, 15.4% Protestant

[USUK]

They are Christian Countries are they not?

 

First one on the list Brazil 74% Catholic, 15.4% Protestant

 

 

Hmm !! Catholic - Protestant........ Did someone mention Christians killing each other ?

[Grahame]

Grahame,

 

generally the Pentateuch is considered to be the word of God by Christians. They do however deal with the problematic passages in different ways depending upon their denomination. Just as there are a variety of views on the subject amongst Jewish and Muslim scholars.

 

Whilst as you have argued there is literal turth in the passages, no religion actually goes about enacting the laws like the punishments for sowing seeds in different fields or wearing mixed fabrics.

 

Your simplistic statements on religion don't do your faith and beliefs credit, nor do they accurately describe those of other religions.

 

All of which is fascinating, but irrelevant to the topic which is about mysogenistic cultures and looking constructively at the issue and how it can effectively be addressed.

 

You will be hard pressed to find misogyny in the teaching of Jesus who took the opposite view and protected women. The woman taken in adultery for example.

 

It would be good if you confined your comments to those religions that actually practise misogyny. Thanks.

 

 

[Grahame]

They are Christian Countries are they not?

 

First one on the list Brazil 74% Catholic, 15.4% Protestant

 

There you are, labelling people according to the country where they are born.

 

That is patently wrong and would mean all Muslims born in England are Christians.

 

You try telling that to Muslims.