The Pope's Visit

[flamingjimmy]

The Holy Father is absolutely right: godlessness is the heart of Nazism. When Germans rejected their Christian roots, they reverted to racist paganism.

 

Absolute nonsense. And also, completely unsubstantiated and unsupported by evidence.

 

Nazi Germany was an overwhelmingly Christian place.

[spindrift]

Absolute nonsense. And also, completely unsubstantiated and unsupported by evidence.

 

Nazi Germany was an overwhelmingly Christian place.

 

 

Which of Christ's teachings do you think the nazis adhered to?

[flamingjimmy]

Which of Christ's teachings do you think the nazis adhered to?

 

Can you quit it with the strawman arguments please?

 

What I said was 'Nazi Germany was an overwhelmingly Christian place'

 

What I did not say was 'The Nazis in Germany were all perfect Christians who followed the teachings of Jesus to the letter'.

 

I'm going to quote your previous post again, because thinking about it, there's an even worse piece of historical revisionism that I didn't notice the first time.

Spindrift: "The Holy Father is absolutely right: godlessness is the heart of Nazism. When Germans rejected their Christian roots, they reverted to racist paganism."

 

You've got it completely backwards, the racism of the nazis (specifically the antisemitism, as in, y'know the motivation for the holocaust) has it's roots deep in european Christianity which has had an extremely long history of antisemitism dating back hundreds of years before Hitler was even born.

 

The antisemitism at the core of nazi idealogy did not have pagan roots, it had Christian ones, and you'll be very hard pressed to find a respected historian who even hints otherwise.

[spindrift]

European history has naturally gone through many stages and periods. But looking at it in the broadest sense, we can divide into three fundamental periods from the cultural point of view:

 

The pre-Christian (pagan) period.

The period when Christianity assumed cultural dominance in Europe

The post-Christian (materialist) period

The idea of what we have described as 'The post-Christian period' may strike many readers as odd. Because Christianity is still by far the majority religion in European society. But many ideologies and philosophies opposing Christianity, materialist philosophy being the most important, had become increasingly influential by the 19th century.

 

Looking at these three periods, we see that fascist culture belongs to the first and third. In other words, fascism was born out of pagan culture, and was later resurrected as a part of materialist culture.

 

 

http://www.islamdenouncesantisemitism.com/thepagan.htm

 

Nazi period and World War II

Several early members of the Nazi Party were part of the Thule Society, a study group for German antiquity. While it is postulated that occult elements played an important role in the formative phase of Nazism, and of the SS in particular, after his rise to power Adolf Hitler discouraged such pursuits.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_Neopaganism#Nazi_period_and_World_War_II

[plekhanov]

AIDS prevention rates with a condom = 90% (WHO)

 

 

AIDS prevention rates via abstinence = 100%

And the success rate of people remaining abstinent is what exactly?

 

No single body does more to fight AIDS and help the victims than the catholic church spread.

There fixed that for you.

[spindrift]

The anti-Semitism that led to the Holocaust did not spring from Christian sources, but from apostasy. It wasn’t that the Church and Nazism were aligned against the Jews, but that Nazism was aligned against both Judaism and Christianity. The frequently ignored Christian victims of the gas ovens attest to this fact. As “We Remember” puts it,

 

The Shoah was the work of a thoroughly modern neo-pagan regime. Its anti-Semitism had its roots outside of Christianity and, in pursuing its aims, it did not hesitate to oppose the Church and persecute her members also.

 

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0031.html

[flamingjimmy]

European history has naturally gone through many stages and periods. But looking at it in the broadest sense, we can divide into three fundamental periods from the cultural point of view:

 

The pre-Christian (pagan) period.

The period when Christianity assumed cultural dominance in Europe

The post-Christian (materialist) period

The idea of what we have described as 'The post-Christian period' may strike many readers as odd. Because Christianity is still by far the majority religion in European society. But many ideologies and philosophies opposing Christianity, materialist philosophy being the most important, had become increasingly influential by the 19th century.

 

Looking at these three periods, we see that fascist culture belongs to the first and third. In other words, fascism was born out of pagan culture, and was later resurrected as a part of materialist culture.

 

That is a very weak argument, you need to do more than show a correlation to prove causation.

 

And besides you're wrong anyway, fascism was invented in the 20th century by Mussolini. It did not exist in pre Christian Europe.

 

Several early members of the Nazi Party were part of the Thule Society, a study group for German antiquity. While it is postulated that occult elements played an important role in the formative phase of Nazism, and of the SS in particular, after his rise to power Adolf Hitler discouraged such pursuits.

And this proves what, exactly?

 

I'm not denying that some Nazi's had some pagan beliefs. I'm saying that some, in fact the majority of Germans had Christian ones as well.

[milquetoast1]

Why are you so angry about stuff he didn't say?

 

The Holy Father is absolutely right: godlessness is the heart of Nazism. When Germans rejected their Christian roots, they reverted to racist paganism.

 

Isn't this just trolling now?

 

Asking us why we are angry about things that the Pope said, puzzled because you don't think he said them, then repeating that same insult and attributing it to the Pope, all in the same post.

 

[spindrift]

And the success rate of people remaining abstinent is what exactly?

 

 

 

very good indeed:

 

One study is a case in point. In his research, Edward Green of the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies looked at Uganda’s ABC method (ABC as in Abstinence; Be faithful; Condom), which was introduced in 1986. His findings indicated that infection rates in that country dropped from 21 per cent to 6 per cent since 1991. Green, who once was a supporter of safe sex and condom use, is now in favour of abstinence and fidelity within couples.

 

Many studies, including some by the United Nations, show that nations with highest condom use also have higher HIV-AIDS infection rates.

 

Norman Hears, a family physician and epidemiologist at the University of California, San Francisco, said that “Condom promotion in Africa has been a disaster”.

 

And just to measure the danger of Catholic influence, all one has to look is the Philippines, 85 per cent Catholic, were HIV prevalence is a mere 0.01 per cent.

 

Even the New York Times, which recently attacked the Pope for his “dangerous” words, had to admit that traditional morality, based on abstinence and fidelity, defeated AIDS in the Philippines. In a 20 April 2003 article it said that in the Philippines,

 

 

 

“a very low rate of condom use and a very low rate of HIV infection seem to be going hand in hand. AIDS-prevention efforts often focus on condoms, but they are not widely available here—and are mostly shunned—in this conservative Roman Catholic country.”

 

http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=14772

[spindrift]

Isn't this just trolling now?

 

Asking us why we are angry about things that the Pope said, puzzled because you don't think he said them, then repeating that same insult and attributing it to the Pope, all in the same post.

 

 

 

I'm answering the accusation that the pope called atheists nazis.

 

He didn't.