Way to go France (finally)

[rubydazzler]

The French are quite keen on cultural hegemony. I've lived in France for two years on two separate occasions, they're quite vociferous in their dislike of virtually everybody. I copped loads of abuse by virtue of being English, they hate us!

At least they aren't allowed to call their children stupid names, are they? Do they still have that register of acceptable ones? No Chardonnays or Bries en la belle France!

[Suffragette1]

It isn't just we English. There aren't many folk they DO like! lol.

 

True, I can't think of anyone that they like other than Lady Di (pronounced Laydee Dee).

[Streamline]

May I beat PT to proclaiming a Godwin?

 

Actually this is the second time today France has been likened to the Third Reich, one of the Justice Ministers in the Hague was having them over for paying the gypsies to leave the country. Merde, those evil Frenchies!

 

Yes shocking isn't it, allowing a country such as France to allow themselves the right to decide who they choose to reside there.

[rubydazzler]

Yes shocking isn't it, allowing a country such as France to allow themselves the right to decide who they choose to reside there.

If they've got any sense, they'll quietly take their E300 and make a beeline for the Eurostar. We'll be welcoming them with open arms

[L00b]

The French are quite keen on cultural hegemony. I've lived in France for two years on two separate occasions, they're quite vociferous in their dislike of virtually everybody. I copped loads of abuse by virtue of being English, they hate us!

I've lived in Germany, Luxembourg, Belgium, Ireland (the Republic of) and the UK. I've stayed (longer than a holiday) in Sweden, Norway, Italy, Iraq, Libya and Tunisia.

 

France and the UK are the least xenophobic countries of that lot, by some stretch.

 

I should know, I'm French, 2nd generation immigrant in France, 1st generation immigrant in the UK

 

Note that cultural preservation is quite distinct from "cultural hegemony" () and xenophobism.

 

As regards this particular bit of legislation, whilst I don't condone the specifics of it, I can certainly relate to the principle behind it. It can be rationalised quite simply: there is little to no political correctness in France, never has been. Only political imperatives and expediency. France has been on the receiving end of radical muslim terrorism since well before 9/11 and the current crop, and has been "charterising" illegals for decades now (can't see what the fuss is about the latest unfortunates to fall under the scope... just more political testiculating from Brussels).

 

PlainTalker, I believe we've had the conversion about the secularity of French institutions and society plenty of times before, so let's not again

[Suffragette1]

I've lived in Germany, Luxembourg, Belgium, Ireland (the Republic of) and the UK. I've stayed (longer than a holiday) in Sweden, Norway, Italy, Iraq, Libya and Tunisia.

 

France and the UK are the least xenophobic countries of that lot, by some stretch.

 

I should know, I'm French, 2nd generation immigrant in France, 1st generation immigrant in the UK

 

Note that cultural preservation is quite distinct from "cultural hegemony" () and xenophobism.

 

As regards this particular bit of legislation, whilst I don't condone the specifics of it, I can certainly relate to the principle behind it.

 

PlainTalker, I believe we've had the conversion about the secularity of French institutions and society plenty of times before, so let's not again

 

I bow to your superior knowledge only having visited some of the countries you've listed and lived and holidayed (frequently) in France. However, that said, I have encountered far more hostility in France than I have in any other country. I'm all for secular institutions, however, I do not think that this move is the way to achieve or maintain it.

 

I totally agree with you about the lack of political correctness in France, it's quite startling at times!

[hard2miss]

As many as wish to!

Or told...

[Plain Talker]

Or told...

 

No, h2m - you know my line on the burqa.

 

It should be the wearer's own choice to wear the garment:- same viewpoint as wearing the veil or the headscarf.

 

If you want to wear it, fine, if you don't want to wear it, then, erm... fine.

 

So long as there is no force, or coercion, either way, (You CANNOT wear it, vs You MUST wear it) what's the flippin' problem?

 

I am as against the idea of a woman being forced to wear burqa as I am against women being forced NOT to wear it.

 

Oppressing a woman into not wearing a burqa or niqaab is as bad as oppressing her INTO wearing it.

[Shy talk]

The French are quite keen on cultural hegemony. I've lived in France for two years on two separate occasions, they're quite vociferous in their dislike of virtually everybody. I copped loads of abuse by virtue of being English, they hate us!

 

Ha, a bit of reverse phsychology there suffragette?

 

The French are trying to resist Gramscian cultural hegemony, which in this instance is centered around Islam and the Burka.

 

There is "a culture war taking place, in which the anti-capitalist politicians (communist leaders sponsors, socialist scholars, and ideological subversives) seek to have the dominant voice in the mass media, other mass organisations, and the schools (and actively conduct ideological subversion). Once achieved, this position will be used to increase class consciousness, teach revolutionary theory and analysis, and to inspire revolutionary organisation. On winning the intellectual war of position, communist leaders would then have the necessary political power and popular support to begin the war of manoeuvre — the insurrection against capitalism"

[Shy talk]

 

I totally agree with you about the lack of political correctness in France, it's quite startling at times!

 

That is probably the most amazing thing i've ever read on here.

 

I dont even know where to begin with that statement.