Ethnic minorities double in 20 years

[chem1st]

..trying to rouse the rabble are we?

 

A waiting list just over 22 years and growing. For people who can only join the list at 16.

[boyfriday]

A waiting list just over 22 years and growing. For people who can only join the list at 16.

 

That's hardly 40 years though is it? It certainly isn't 22 years before someone is offered a council property, but if they want a property of a particular size and location then those properties might rarely become available.

 

Nor are all the people on the waiting list actively seeking properties, people register, find alternative accommodation but don't remove their names from the list, which of course makes the list look artificially longer.

 

On the Sheffield Property Shop website this morning there were 12 pages of properties on the 'first come, first served', where the waiting list doesn't apply.

 

The fact is ethnic minorities or new immigrants are not being given preference for properties that a high demand exists for and despite the waiting list there are still many council properties that there is no demand for.

[hard2miss]

That's hardly 40 years though is it? It certainly isn't 22 years before someone is offered a council property, but if they want a property of a particular size and location then those properties might rarely become available.

 

Nor are all the people on the waiting list actively seeking properties, people register, find alternative accommodation but don't remove their names from the list, which of course makes the list look artificially longer.

 

On the Sheffield Property Shop website this morning there were 12 pages of properties in on the 'first come, first served', where the waiting list doesn't apply.

 

The fact is ethnic minorities or new immigrants are not being given preference for properties that a high demand exists for and despite the waiting list there are still many council properties that there is no demand for.

Are they the houses right besides where the immigrants live ?

[boyfriday]

Are they the houses right besides where the immigrants live ?

 

Don't know h2m, but don't think there are many immigrants in Parson Cross, Southey and High Green?

[hard2miss]

Don't know h2m, but don't think there are many immigrants in Parson Cross, Southey and High Green?

The council did as much to running those communities down as the people living in them, after all they cant all have the money the likes of Burngreave has had spent on it can they ?

[boyfriday]

The council did as much to running those communities down as the people living in them, after all they cant all have the money the likes of Burngreave has had spent on it can they ?

 

I don't know, did Burngreave have money spent on it that other estates didn't?

 

There are properties in Burngreave and Pitsmoor also on the first come list.

 

http://www.sheffieldpropertyshop.org.uk/fcfsprop.asp?ID=8F6E26D83BD742DBBB7DE61358BA479E

[hard2miss]

The bigger estates like parsons cross were massively under invested in for years, there was a real strong community spirit in all these areas and the council kind of left them while they were happy living with what they had. Then with the breakdown of communities, a lot to do with the council moving people about and sticking anyone with problems on these estates, they became run down. The solution ? knock down clumps of houses claiming 'no one wants them' and 'we have a housing surplus'.

In the mean time Burngreave has had numerous investments. Even page hall was done up, private houses and all, and areas like my own (flower est) suffered the same fate as the cross and had a huge chunk of the estate knocked down (search for '5 roads' the name they gave them to dissociate it from the rest of the estate), again claiming there was a housing surplus.

Now we have had a huge influx of Asians and Africans (the new immigrants) up here they have put some money into the likes of speed humps ect, something I remember the tenants up here fighting for for about 15 years with no joy back in the days.

 

It is my belief that they ran these estates down to get them out of council hands into associations and arms length managements. That and to break down communities to accept the influx of Immigration that was on its way, if you look at it from this side of the fence it can easily be perceived that way.

[chem1st]

That's hardly 40 years though is it? It certainly isn't 22 years before someone is offered a council property, but if they want a property of a particular size and location then those properties might rarely become available.

 

Nor are all the people on the waiting list actively seeking properties, people register, find alternative accommodation but don't remove their names from the list, which of course makes the list look artificially longer.

 

On the Sheffield Property Shop website this morning there were 12 pages of properties on the 'first come, first served', where the waiting list doesn't apply.

 

The fact is ethnic minorities or new immigrants are not being given preference for properties that a high demand exists for and despite the waiting list there are still many council properties that there is no demand for.

 

http://localhousingwatch.org.uk/local_authority.php?la=230&w=5270&pc=S1+1AA

 

A person has to be 16 to register, 21.19 years to wait. and that was the situation 2-3 years ago, we have even less properties now ~ 40 years to get a property in an area that he or she is comfortable in. I was replying to crookesy...

 

There is no need to remind e of the first come first served policy, as you know full well I'll remind you of the breakdown.

 

45 properties; 1 without an age band, 1 where you must be 25+ these two are offered by a BME HA in Pitsmoor. There are 3 for families without an age band. 2 over 40s, an over 50s, and over 55s and the remaining 36 are for over 60s.

 

It's a disgrace.

 

All those empty properties should be let to young people, we shouldn't have BME HA's which disproportionately house BME people and change an areas ethnic make up to such a degree, that the natives move out.

 

Show me the facts and figures showing equal allocation.

[retep]

I don't know, did Burngreave have money spent on it that other estates didn't?

There are properties in Burngreave and Pitsmoor also on the first come list.

 

http://www.sheffieldpropertyshop.org.uk/fcfsprop.asp?ID=8F6E26D83BD742DBBB7DE61358BA479E

 

£55 million and a mobile ghetto blaster bus comes to mind.

[chem1st]

The bigger estates like parsons cross were massively under invested in for years, there was a real strong community spirit in all these areas and the council kind of left them while they were happy living with what they had. Then with the breakdown of communities, a lot to do with the council moving people about and sticking anyone with problems on these estates, they became run down. The solution ? knock down clumps of houses claiming 'no one wants them' and 'we have a housing surplus'.

In the mean time Burngreave has had numerous investments. Even page hall was done up, private houses and all, and areas like my own (flower est) suffered the same fate as the cross and had a huge chunk of the estate knocked down (search for '5 roads' the name they gave them to dissociate it from the rest of the estate), again claiming there was a housing surplus.

Now we have had a huge influx of Asians and Africans (the new immigrants) up here they have put some money into the likes of speed humps ect, something I remember the tenants up here fighting for for about 15 years with no joy back in the days.

 

It is my belief that they ran these estates down to get them out of council hands into associations and arms length managements. That and to break down communities to accept the influx of Immigration that was on its way, if you look at it from this side of the fence it can easily be perceived that way.

 

The way Sheffield's council housing has been run down is a disaster for the city. In 6 years, the amount of social housing in the city has reduced from a share of 55% to 47%.

 

Across the city housing has been demolished and sold off, whilst the population has grown.

 

The tower blocks at Lowedges and Norfolk park are gone. Houses and flats on the Manor, Arbourthorne, Parsons Cross, Scowerdons, Fir Vale and elsewhere have been demolished. Park hill has received taxpayers money and continues to do so. In one fell swoop 750 properties went there.

 

Parkhill once had it's own police station, so did Manor top. These closed down and the areas deteriorated. Now they have demolished large chunks of the Manor, they have reopened the police station, there are less people there now (and subsequently less crime), why? So they can publish figures in the star about how crime has dropped now they have reopened it?

 

Only those with the greatest priority need are now housed, or those over 60. (A small amount of people on the waiting list are housed, but this is a very small amount). The tenants being housed generally have more problems, and cause more trouble. It runs estates down by disproportionately housing these people. The hard-working get nothing.

 

We only house people in this way, because we haven't got enough to go around. Yet we started the city of sanctuary movement and have placed more demand upon our already very strained system