Disproving the Existence of God

[Hairyloon]

Which is verifiable in the OED.

But can you verify that the word originally used was (or at least meant) either "image" or "idol"?

[redwhine]

Does Grahame actually exist ???

 

haha I think he is a construct of god's imagination

So does Grahame!

 

I think it's vice versa; god is a construct of Grahame's imagination.

[Hairyloon]

The personal bickering does not add anything to the debate.

[six45ive]

Their list on Omnipotence:

 

Genesis 18:14

Is anything too hard for the LORD? I will return to you at the appointed time next year and Sarah will have a son.

 

Luke 18:27

Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."

 

Revelation 19:6

Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting: "Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns."

 

Their list on Omniscience:

Psalm 139:2-6

You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar.

 

Isaiah 40:13-14

13 Who has understood the mind of the LORD, or instructed him as his counselor?

14 Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him, and who taught him the right way?

Who was it that taught him knowledge or showed him the path of understanding?

 

None of that seems exceptionally clever, and falls a long way shy of my definition of omnipotence.

 

Not at all, it all sounds exactly like we are nothing compared to this 'all powerful being'.

 

You want to argue the case that something which you refuse to define does not exist?

 

No. I'm arguing that if something is undefined then you suspend belief until it has a definition, in which case it can then be tested to see if it stands up to scrutiny. The idea of a theistic god fails miserably on this account.

[Hairyloon]

Not at all, it all sounds exactly like we are nothing compared to this 'all powerful being'.

Shall we go through it again?

 

Genesis 18:14

Is anything too hard for the LORD? I will return to you at the appointed time next year and Sarah will have a son.

It would seem that "you" and Sarah are biologically incompatible. B@*ger off for a bit and I'll get her up the duff. Or at worst, she needs IVF.

Luke 18:27

Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."

Remind me when this was again?

Can't you think of anything that was impossible then that is easy now?

Revelation 19:6

Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting: "Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns."

I have heard similar sentiments at football matches.

 

In short, there is nothing in your Dawkinist's list of biblical references to omnipotence that I cannot do (ok the last one might take me a while to organise) .

By your definition, it seems I am omnipotent. Does that make me God?

I don't want the job, where can I hand in my resignation?

I'm arguing that if something is undefined then you suspend belief until it has a definition, in which case it can then be tested to see if it stands up to scrutiny.

That would be one way of doing it, if that were what you were doing. Alternatively, why not consider what things might exist and determine if any of them might the parameters that some might consider as a god?

The idea of a theistic god fails miserably on this account.

So how exactly are you defining "theistic"?

[redwhine]

Remind me when this was again?

Can't you think of anything that was impossible then that is easy now?

My daughter flew from Manchester to New York, New York on Thursday. I don't think she found it terribly difficult, but now her arms ache.

 

It would have been impossible then, as neither NY,NY nor Manchester existed then. Oh, and powered flight had not been invented.

 

Your point?

 

So how exactly are you defining "theistic"?

I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but I'm guessing that someone who believes in a god that is non-deistic would fit the bill.

[Hairyloon]

My daughter flew from Manchester to New York, New York on Thursday. I don't think she found it terribly difficult, but now her arms ache.

 

It would have been impossible then, as neither NY,NY nor Manchester existed then. Oh, and powered flight had not been invented.

 

Your point?

My point is that, according to six45ive, that would seem to make her omnipotent, and presumably therefore God.

[redwhine]

My point is that, according to six45ive, that would seem to make her omnipotent, and presumably therefore God.

How can catching a scheduled flight make anybody omnipotent?

 

Slightly more potent granted, but not omnipotent.

[redwhine]

Ah! I think I see your problem.

 

Wat was not possible then (due to lack of technology) is now possible (due to science).

 

What was impossible then is still impossible now.

 

Does that help?

[six45ive]

Shall we go through it again?

 

> fallacious nonsense snipped <

 

No need. The words are clear enough for me. Simply the use of the single word almighty is enough to confirm what we both know xtians believe their theistic god to be.

However those earlier links to god's omnipotence/omniscience was just the opening salvo. As we look deeper into the bible do you think we're going to find more or less evidence of this imaginary beings almightiness?

 

So.....let's start here;

http://bible.cc/jeremiah/32-17.htm

http://bible.cc/luke/1-37.htm

http://bible.cc/psalms/115-3.htm

http://bible.cc/psalms/135-6.htm

http://bible.cc/daniel/4-35.htm

http://bible.cc/job/42-2.htm

http://bible.cc/psalms/33-11.htm

I could go on if you really want me to but I think you get the point.

 

That would be one way of doing it, if that were what you were doing. Alternatively, why not consider what things might exist and determine if any of them might be the parameters that some might consider as a god?

 

Because accepting something that you don't as yet understand and calling it god means that you're going to have a great deal of trouble accepting what it really is if science fathoms it out at a later stage. It's called jumping to conclusions and isn't a good thing to do.

 

So how exactly are you defining "theistic"?

 

http://www.answers.com/topic/theism