wednesday1 Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 "back in '09"? Are you saying that the country has emerged from recession? While I personally don't believe for one moment that it has, I await your praise of the current government for achieving this feat (following the logic of your statement to it's inevitable conclusion). And talking of cuts, if you're so worried about their effects, be thankful that Labour didn't get back in: Alistair Darling: we will cut deeper than Margaret Thatcher Labour plans deeper cuts than Thatcher The country WAS emerging from recession under Labour the cut's that the ConDems are about to unleash may push us right back into recession. Many analysts share this view: http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-11214646 Now you seem to be moving the goal post's claiming that Labour would have cut deeper than Thatcher! As someone who has lectured us on the need for the cuts for the last few months does this mean that you now realise that Labour would have been the best party to administer any cuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 The country WAS emerging from recession under Labour the cut's that the ConDems are about to unleash may push us right back into recession. Many analysts share this view: http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-11214646 Now you seem to be moving the goal post's claiming that Labour would have cut deeper than Thatcher! As someone who has lectured us on the need for the cuts for the last few months does this mean that you now realise that Labour would have been the best party to administer any cuts? Who knows how much the country would have been in the mire if the interest rates of our debts had risen, causing our payments to increase and probably causing deeper cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purdyamos Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 I think the real scandal is the systematic decimation of mental health services which started off flawed and have been whittled away into almost non-existence in real terms, recessions or no recessions. But it's never been fashionable to mention that, even though the outcome of 'improvements' like Care in the Community has had a knock on effect in society that most people don't even realize is connected. Saving money at the intensive end of mental health services only creates more complex problems further down the line. It's quite clear that the people in the most vulnerable social bracket (ie people on benefits of whatever kind) are the ones being most targeted for blame, shame and scapegoating as the economic thumbscrews tighten and people get angrier. And it's not just politicians who are guilty of that, but ordinary people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem1st Posted January 22, 2013 Author Share Posted January 22, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21141815 The number of people taking their own life in the UK rose "significantly" in 2011, latest figures from the Office for National Statistics have shown. Some 6,045 people killed themselves in 2011, an increase of 437 since 2010. The highest suicide rate was among men aged between 30 and 44. About 23 men per 100,000 took their own lives. On average, across both sexes, 11.8 people per 100,000 population killed themselves in 2011, up from 11.1 people the previous year. The ONS data revealed there were 4,552 suicides by men in 2011, more than double the number of women. Suicides among women stood at 1,493. As predicted, the suicide rate has increased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeX Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21141815 As predicted, the suicide rate has increased. recession goes hand in hand with suicides, who would have thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 recession goes hand in hand with suicides, who would have thought No it doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 No it doesn't Why doesn't it? It seems self evident that it would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeX Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 No it doesn't http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_295718.pdf Page 2 notice the upturn in suicides just before 1990 Recession - July 1990 – March 1991: 8 months http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1990s_recession notice the upturn in suicides just before 2001 Recession - March 2001 – November 2001: 8 months http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_2000s_recession#United_States notice the upturn in suicides around 2008 Recession - December 2007 – June 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-2000s_recession Student suicides rise during recession years http://www.guardian.co.uk/higher-education-network/2012/nov/30/student-suicide-recession-mental-health Rise in suicides blamed on impact of recession Male suicides increased by 3.6% as joblessness rose 25%, with unemployment linked to 1,000 deaths from 2008-10 http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/aug/14/rise-suicides-blamed-impact-recession Suicide Rate Increased Over 4 Times Faster During Recession http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/04/suicide-rate-recession-faster_n_2073799.html And its not just in the UK, the US has the same correlation Increase Seen in U.S. Suicide Rate Since Recession http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/health/us-suicide-rate-rose-during-recession-study-finds.html?_r=0 As well as many other countries: Is the Recession Leading to Increased Suicides? http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/media-spotlight/201211/is-the-recession-leading-increased-suicides The rise in suicides linked to the international recession is hardly limited to Spain however. Along with news stories about suicide clusters in India and other developing nations related to economic hardship, health statistics are also pointing to rising suicides across Greece and Italy. And the death toll appears to be spreading. In a recent study published in the British Medical Journal, more than 1,000 suicides in the United Kingdom may be directly linked to the recession. If anything is apparent, its that suicide and recession go hand in hand despite how the likes of Mecky and chem1st would like to try and turn what is a human tragedy into a political issue. shame on you, you pair of muppets! ---------- Post added 22-01-2013 at 13:18 ---------- Why doesn't it? It seems self evident that it would. Mecky is a troll and facts to him are like salt on a slug. He will slither away as fast as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumkin Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Mecky is troll and facts to him are like salt on a slug. He will slither away as fast as possible. I agree entirely. I thought Mecky was a woman?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Sidebottom Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21141815 As predicted, the suicide rate has increased. ..... around about the time there was an increase in the number of threads you start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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