spindrift Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Guildford Four. Stefan Kiszko. Barry Bulsara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert_Baehr Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 IMO, the country does need prisons which will try to rehabilitate offenders, but it also needs rather simpler more spartan institutions to warehouse those individuals who are too dangerous to be let loose on society. Warehouse prisons which have minimum manning (to reduce costs and free up resources for rehabilitation prisons), adequate cells (a bed, washing and lavatory facility) exercise equipment (a treadmill which could also generate electricity to light the place) fresh air (a window which opens) and adequate food. (About 2000-2500 calories a day, balanced plain diet.) The first sentence would be one year. 365 days (unless you got unlucky and went in a leap year.) No time off for good behaviour, no tagging, no early release. It would give society a respite from the criminal. Some would come back - but (perhaps amazingly) some would find that they could be rehabilitated after all. Those who did come back could stay there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Yep, we could impison as many people as America does and live in a completely crime-free society, like America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj.scuba Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 Yep, we could impison as many people as America does and live in a completely crime-free society, like America. Where has anybody claimed America is crime free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 I just did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj.scuba Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 I just did. Why when you know it's not right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert_Baehr Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Well you don't want to execute them (and neither do I - I am opposed to capital punishment in all cases.) How much should society spend on prisons? (How many pence per prisoner per day?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Countries with higher incarceration levels do not have correspondingly lower crime rates. Prison is not the only answer and far from the best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 How much should society spend on prisons?An amount directly proportionate to the sum of direct and indirect costs (insurance claims, private and/or public healthcare costs, compensation, securisation, etc.) which the problem causes to that society. I'm reasonably sure this can be mathematically expressed and a viable proposal made. That said, the aeons-old three-strike system of a hand off for the first time, the other hand for the second time and the head off for the third time seems to work well, where this is implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert_Baehr Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 It makes you a killer, and (i assume) an adult killer rather than a child who has tortured someone. They should go to jail for a decent amount of time btw The victim was a child. The 3 people who tortured him were (according to the article) 18 years old. That makes them adults - not children. Even if they were under 18 at the time, it's difficult to see how anybody could argue that they didn't know that what they were doing was very wrong. They should indeed go to prison. It should not be a soft and comfortable prison. And they should go there for a very significant time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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