Scabbydog Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 As is a plumber. Or brickie. Or welder. The difference is, these people have all trained to carry out their professions. Politicians haven't. So why do they do politics degrees at university? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I lived much of my life in Hong Kong and still work here for a couple of months each year. I expected the place to change when the colony was handed back to China. If anything it has moved further away for the old Chinese model, and China is moving more towards Hong Kong than the other way around. On the surface they preach communism but in reality they embrace capitalism. In cities like Shanghai you will find massive amounts of western investment and joint ventures with western companies. Volkswagen now make more cars in China than they do in Germany. The chinese government is run by old men who are reluctant to admit that the system they administered was no good, and in a large country things need to progress slowly. But believe me under the surface there is a massive vibrant capitalist system waiting to fully emerge. Excellent post and very shrewdly put. Having visited China myself a couple of years ago but not claiming to be anything like an expert I was surprised at the vibrant sense of capitlist enterprise. General Motors have a large assembly plant turning out Buicks which are seen everywhere and Merecedes-Benz are grabbing a share of the market also. Chinese investors bought out the Hummer Division of General Motors when GM put it up for sale a while back and now they're interested in buying a considerable amount of shares in General Motors as a whole. Who would have ever thought that ten years ago even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scabbydog Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Nope. A professional is a member of a vocation founded upon specialised educational training. The word professional traditionally means a person who has obtained a degree in a professional field. You are getting confused with professional sports people who are called professional when they are paid to do their sport as opposed to amateur when they do not. This guy sounds like a professional to me..... QUOTE... David William Donald Cameron (born 9 October 1966) is the current Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, First Lord of the Treasury, and Leader of the Conservative Party. He is the Member of Parliament for Witney. Cameron studied Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Oxford, gaining a first class honours degree. He then joined the Conservative Research Department and became Special Adviser to Norman Lamont, and then to Michael Howard. He was Director of Corporate Affairs at Carlton Communications for seven years. A first candidacy for Parliament at Stafford in 1997 ended in defeat, but Cameron was elected in 2001 as the Member of Parliament for the Oxfordshire constituency of Witney. He was promoted to the Opposition front bench two years later, and rose rapidly to become head of policy co-ordination during the 2005 general election campaign. With a public image of a young, moderate candidate who would appeal to young voters, he won the Conservative leadership election in 2005. In the 2010 general election held on 6 May, the Conservatives gained a plurality of seats in a hung parliament and Cameron was appointed Prime Minister on 11 May 2010, at the head of a coalition between the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats. At the age of 43, Cameron became the youngest British Prime Minister since the Earl of Liverpool 198 years earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafikhaus74 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 So why do they do politics degrees at university? In order to fit into the current clone-state of being privately educated (preferably at Eton), and having studied Politics, Philosophy and Economics. Since when did being a graduate make you an expert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 You've totally lost me here. Norway is a monarchy with elected democratic government pretty much like the UK but their electoral system favours coalition governments. What has that got to do with socialism? They have one of the best healthcare and child care facilities in Europe to name two benefits. I equate that with some of the better aspects of socialism. I'm an old guy and old enough to remember the programs that the Attlee socialist government introduced to Britain just after WW2. Hot well cooked nourishing school lunches, free milk and of course the arrival of the NHS. I think all that would have taken a long time coming about if the Tories had been in power during those post war years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 They have one of the best healthcare and child care facilities in Europe to name two benefits. I equate that with some of the better aspects of socialism. I'm an old guy and old enough to remember the programs that the Attlee socialist government introduced to Britain just after WW2. Hot well cooked nourishing school lunches, free milk and of course the arrival of the NHS. Most people here in the UK wouldn't link good healthcare and childcare with Socialism. I think all that would have taken a long time coming about if the Tories had been in power during those post war years Wasn't it the Tories that took us out of rationing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scabbydog Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 In order to fit into the current clone-state of being privately educated (preferably at Eton), and having studied Politics, Philosophy and Economics. Since when did being a graduate make you an expert? I believe Tony Blair went to a private school and I do believe that a decent education probably provides a better chance of someone to run the country than someone who worked as a ship's steward or a postman. I think i'm pretty glad that the doctors and dentists that have tended me over the years were graduates. But if you prefer to have your teeth removed by the school bully that's entirely up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Most people here in the UK would link good healthcare and childcare with Socialism. Wasn't it the Tories that took us out of rationing? If I remember rightly that happened in the early 1950s and was bound to happen anyway as the economic and industrial situation in the country was getting back on track. Certainly the Republicans in my part of the world equate Obama care with Socialism and are making plenty of noise about it. If they gain control of Congress in the upcoming elections they'll go all out to get rid of it. Fortunately for me I have good healthcare through the existing system so wont be affected by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 [/b] If I remember rightly that happened in the early 1950s and was bound to happen anyway as the economic and industrial situation in the country was getting back on track. Certainly the Republicans in my part of the world equate Obama care with Socialism and are making plenty of noise about it. If they gain control of Congress in the upcoming elections they'll go all out to get rid of it. Fortunately for me I have good healthcare through the existing system so wont be affected by it. I sorry, it's a typo, it should have read: Most people here in the UK wouldn't link good healthcare and childcare with Socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I sorry, it's a typo, it should have read: Why not? The welfare state is the most obvious legacy of the only socialist Govt we have had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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