JFKvsNixon Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Why not? The welfare state is the most obvious legacy of the only socialist Govt we have had. I wouldn't regard David Lloyd George as a socialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I wouldn't regard David Lloyd George as a socialist. No, but he was influenced by socialist thinking, indeed the reason for the People's Budget was in response to working class and socialist agitation. It was Beveridge that created the Welfare State we know today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 No, but he was influenced by socialist thinking, indeed the reason for the People's Budget was in response to working class and socialist agitation. It was Beveridge that created the Welfare State we know today. Of course it didn't have anything to do with the Liberals wanting the best for the nation, only socialists can do that. Under Beveridge the welfare sate certainly does mark a high point in the history of welfare in Britain, but to sate that the welfare state started with him seriously distorts the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj.scuba Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 Alan Johnson said at the despatch box yesterday that the cuts were ideologically driven, so one can only assume it is Labour ideology to bankrupt us every time they get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
websters gue Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Alan Johnson said at the despatch box yesterday that the cuts were ideologically driven, so one can only assume it is Labour ideology to bankrupt us every time they get in. Never mind, buccaneering entrepreneurs like yourself in the private sector are going to be our knights in shining armour by creating tens of thousands of new jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj.scuba Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 Never mind, buccaneering entrepreneurs like yourself in the private sector are going to be our knights in shining armour by creating tens of thousands of new jobs. You see there is something to look forward to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
websters gue Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 You see there is something to look forward to Well get on with it then instead of spending your time on here fannying around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossdog Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Alan Johnson said at the despatch box yesterday that the cuts were ideologically driven, so one can only assume it is Labour ideology to bankrupt us every time they get in.For those of us with a long memory it has always been the same.Labour when in power spend money like confetti,and run us into debt,something has to be done,so the Conservatives get in, prune and cut things to the bone to try to reduce debt.Eventually people vote them out again because they do not like austerity measures in their backyard,and round we go again. The problem for the Coalition is that they are up against the Public sector vote. The Public sector whilst very necessary does not produce anything we can sell abroad whilst costing the economy a huge amount in wages and pensions.Health ,education,and welfare have really ballooned out of all proportion since I was a kid,I don't begrudge any of it, providing we can pay for it. The way forward is to try to regain our manufacturing base so we can sell abroad like China is doing,creating huge amounts of none manufacturing jobs like Labour has done over the past decade is more of a sticking plaster approach than a solution. We can argue all we like about how we built such huge debts and who is to blame,but here we are and action is necessary.I think together,the Conservatives and Liberals are taking the only way left forward,but I realize that living in the Socialist stronghold of South Yorkshire most would sooner cut their own throats than agree with me.I personally think the cuts should amount to more in the short term and that it could be a missed opportunity in some areas. Most lost their jobs in the second world war and lots their houses, and the country was decimated but soon turned round, probably because we had lots of home grown industries to provide emloyment.We now seem to be sat on our hands just relying on other countries to manufacture/grow everything for us,...........all we have to do is wave the magic plastic card in the air! I will be the first to condemn the Coalition if we do not lose this service economy tag and regain some of our manufacturing base in the next 4 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 The way forward is to try to regain our manufacturing base so we can sell abroad like China is doing, A great plan in principle but how are you going to sell the enormous wage cuts to voters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossdog Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 A great plan in principle but how are you going to sell the enormous wage cuts to voters?Well I did say try!.........but I suspect you like me, know it's not going to happen unless there's another world war! However Germany is managing to produce high end goods and selling to the Chinese in great quantities (huge waiting list for VW Golfs in China)so there is hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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