Labour still want to tax and spend the country into bankruptcy

[mj.scuba]

I would trust Alan Johnson over Osbourne any day as would most in the nation I'm sure.

 

I might trust him to deliver the mail, that's about it.

[mj.scuba]

No, it isn't.

 

Doing something that is economically non-viable does not make it socialism.

 

I agree, it's stupidity. It's just coincidence that socialism is also economically non-viable.

[iansheff]

What amazes me is the clowns that run these MOD projects, they never come in on time and always vastly over the original price. Mind you thinking about it they cannot be clowns when they are getting all the extra money in. Why are these projects not given penalty clauses and why are they allowed to go way over budget. I can see that it must be difficult to get a price exact but some of the projects cost double or even more than the original price.

[Mecky]

I agree, it's stupidity. It's just coincidence that socialism is also economically non-viable.

 

Thanks for that Mr Only Tory in the Village. Perhaps it would work if everyone paid their taxes. Maybe you don't want it to work, perhaps you consider yourself better than anyone else?

 

And another thing, nobody ever wins an argument because all it does is cause resentment and entrenches people deeper into their bunker. Nobody will ever change their opinions, regardless of the facts, so why bother arguing? All it will do is make the perpetrator ill.

[Conrod]

I agree, it's stupidity. It's just coincidence that socialism is also economically non-viable.

As has been proven convincingly by every nation that has attempted to make socialism work.

 

(There are at least 2 Tories in the village).

[Tony]

Thanks for that Mr Only Tory in the Village. Perhaps it would work if everyone paid their taxes. Maybe you don't want it to work, perhaps you consider yourself better than anyone else?

 

Y'know, I don't think that mj.scuba feels terribly insulted when you call him a Tory. He certainly doesn't seem to be alone on SF either.

[Conrod]

Of course they say they are socialist, this is to try and kep the working class vote. That does not in any way make them socialist, certainly not since they removed clause 4. You cannot be socialist without believing that the workers should own the means of production, and Labour quite clearly do not believe that.

Oh, I see, so Labour may from its birth to this day be manifested as a socialist party, but they're not socialist enough for you.

 

Now I understand.

[mossdog]

No, it isn't.

 

Doing something that is economically non-viable does not make it socialism.

Sorry.........I always thought socialism was all about doing things that are economically unviable under the guise of education for all and jobs for all!

[Tomataheeed]

What amazes me is the clowns that run these MOD projects, they never come in on time and always vastly over the original price. Mind you thinking about it they cannot be clowns when they are getting all the extra money in. Why are these projects not given penalty clauses and why are they allowed to go way over budget. I can see that it must be difficult to get a price exact but some of the projects cost double or even more than the original price.

 

 

Its deliberate.

 

They get approval to spend £Xm on some defence hardware or NHS IT...its all the same. And they make sure the number is palatable to the treasury. Then they put in ,over months and years, enough change requests to get what they want at £5xm. Everyone knew it would really cost £5xm, but you'd never get approval if you asked for that amount in the first place.

 

If I remember correctly one HMRC system had 3000 crs implemented and still over 2000 waiting implementation when EDS lost the contract. Its a contract game.

[mj.scuba]

Y'know, I don't think that mj.scuba feels terribly insulted when you call him a Tory. He certainly doesn't seem to be alone on SF either.

 

Damn right, Tory isn't something I find offensive. Not just not alone on the forum, 10,726,614 voted Tory in May.

 

Anyway I though my name was "Mr Boy Boo Tory" or something