Lib Dems - MELTDOWN

[Titanic99]

Problems are just around the corner!

 

Simon Hughes has just indicated he believes the proposed benefit changes might not get through Parliament.

[Mr Prime]

You mean you hope.

 

Its a shame the fight left in the queens official opposition is to continues try to predict the downfall of the government in any way they can.

 

Democracy booted out the idiots who ruined this countries economy, now it is left to those with more up their sleeves then bribing the under-classes with handouts to fix the problems.

 

The Conservative / Lib Dem coalition will stay in power until the next general election no matter how much wishful thinking comes from the Chav party. Even if the coalition failed, Labour does not have enough support to form a new government and the only outcome would be a minoty government by the largest of the two incumbent parties, the Conservatives.

 

Democracy did not "boot out" Labour, it said er, um, er not sure really but we don't want the Tories despite the media juggernatu and the Lib Dem vote actually dropped regardless of Cleggmania.

 

US sub prime and greedy bankers here and abroad ruined the economy. Labour propped it up and issued a recovery plan at the G20 that was copied around the world. Leading economists all praised Brown and Darling's judgement and they tend to know more about economics than most and are also more neutral since they don't vote here.

[Rampent]

Problems are just around the corner!

 

Simon Hughes has just indicated he believes the proposed benefit changes might not get through Parliament.

 

 

At last! A Lib conner with, er, things that hang between a mans legs.

[purdyamos]

 

Well that’s 3 of us so far we will be forming a action group next.

 

 

It's rather nicely and plaintively summed up by Charlie Brooker today.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/25/charlie-brooker-nick-clegg

 

In these uncertain, unsettling times, with unpopular policies being implemented by a patchwork coalition of the damned, Nick Clegg is proving to be perhaps the most useful tool in the government's shed. Not because he says or does anything particularly inspiring, but because he functions as a universal disappointment sponge for disenchanted voters. You stare at Nick Clegg and feel infinitely unhappy, scarcely noticing Cameron and co hiding behind him.

 

Governments around the world must be studying the coalition and working out how to get their own Clegg. He's the coalition's very own Pudsey Bear: a cuddly-but-tragic mascot representing the acceptable face of abuse. But unlike Pudsey, he actually speaks. Immediately following each unpleasant new announcement, Cleggsy Bear shuffles on stage to defend it, working his sad eyes and boyish face as he morosely explains why the decision was inevitable – and not just inevitable, but fair; in fact possibly the fairest, most reasonable decision to have been taken in our lifetimes, no matter how loudly people scream to the contrary.

 

It's hard not to detect an air of crushed self-delusion about all this. At times Clegg sounds like a once-respected stage actor who's taken the Hollywood dollar and now finds himself sitting at a press junket, patiently telling a reporter that while, yes, on the face of it, his role as the Fartmonster in Guff Ditch III: Fartmonster's Revenge may look like a cultural step down from his previous work with the Royal Shakespeare Company, if you look beyond all the scenes of topless women being dissolved by clouds of acrid methane, the Guff Ditch trilogy actually contains more intellectual sustenance than King Lear, and that all the critics who've seen the film and are loudly claiming otherwise are misguided, partisan naysayers hell- bent on cynically misleading the public – which is ethically wrong.

 

It's only a matter of time before the word "Clegg" enters the dictionary as a noun meaning "agonised, doe-eyed apologist". Or maybe it'll become a verb. Years from now, teachers will ask their pupils to stop "clegging on" about how the dog ate their homework and just bloody hand it in on time.

 

Clegg's most recent act of clegging was to explain to this newspaper that the Institute of Fiscal Studies was wrong to brand the spending review "unfair".

 

"I think you have to call a spade a spade," he clegged, immediately before demonstrating his commitment to straightforward language by querying the definition of the word "fair".

 

The previous administration's simplistic "culture of how you measure fairness", was partly to blame for the Institute's foolishness, clegged Clegg in a cleggish tone of voice. In previous years, "fairness was seen through one prism and one prism only". It turns out fairness is actually more complex and slightly less fair than that. According to Clegg it's important to call a spade a spade, unless you've mistaken the spade for a digging implement, which it isn't. A spade is a kind of towel.

 

[And there's more...]

[chem1st]

It's rather nicely and plaintively summed up by Charlie Brooker today.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/25/charlie-brooker-nick-clegg

 

Securing prison accommodation will be affectionately known in Doncatraz as a "Clegg up on t'social housing ladder" judging by the Condem coalition condemnation and imminent destruction of social housing in the UK.

 

The Labour fools spent money on doing it up rather than building more. The cons can now profit from it even more than they ever could have done before.

[Right a bit]

Democracy did not "boot out" Labour, it said er, um, er not sure really but we don't want the Tories despite the media juggernatu and the Lib Dem vote actually dropped regardless of Cleggmania.

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Actually, in England democracy did exactly that.

 

Apart from the usual left-wing sink holes that blight the country (a few London boroughs, South Yorkshire and North East), the political map of England was a very, very blue one.

 

Labour's lifeline came in the form of the Scottish and Welsh votes, both of which would aote anti-Tory out of simple resentment irrespective of policies or common sense.

 

As the Scottish and Welsh have their own local governance, we should sling them out of Westminster without delay.

[sccsux]

When actually the public was undecided and it was Nick (the snake) Clegg that allowed a Tory party in that was unable to dislodge a Labour party that was on its knees.

 

Which proves how weak the Tories actually are (or how much people remeber the last tory government).

 

Democracy did not "boot out" Labour, it said er, um, er not sure really but we don't want the Tories despite the media juggernatu and the Lib Dem vote actually dropped regardless of Cleggmania.

 

US sub prime and greedy bankers here and abroad ruined the economy. Labour propped it up and issued a recovery plan at the G20 that was copied around the world. Leading economists all praised Brown and Darling's judgement and they tend to know more about economics than most and are also more neutral since they don't vote here.

 

Well said:clap:.

 

The Labour fools spent money on doing it up rather than building more.

 

To be fair though, they had no choice (the conservatives put in place legislation that doesn't allow funds raised from council house sales to be used for rebuilds).

[Berberis]

Democracy did not "boot out" Labour, it said er, um, er not sure really but we don't want the Tories despite the media juggernatu and the Lib Dem vote actually dropped regardless of Cleggmania.

 

Let’s just clarify a few things:

 

Labour 2005 - 35.2%

Conservative 2010 - 36.1%

 

Lib Dem support did not drop at all, their number of seats dropped but their support saw a +1% swing.

 

US sub prime and greedy bankers here and abroad ruined the economy. Labour propped it up and issued a recovery plan at the G20 that was copied around the world. Leading economists all praised Brown and Darling's judgement and they tend to know more about economics than most and are also more neutral since they don't vote here.

 

The UK economy was handed to the labour party in 1997 with a 0.5% surplus. They turned that immediately into a deficit and kept borrowing all before the recession.

 

UK Deficit (12.5% rise)

 

1997 +0.5% GDP

2010 -12% GDP

 

Lets now compare that to some other countries:

 

Greece (0.3% rise)

1997 -9.6%

2010 -9.9%

 

France (3.1% rise)

1997 -4.9

2010 -8.0

Germany (2% rise)

1997 -3%

2010 -5%

 

Ireland (10% rise)

1997 - 1.7%

2010 -11.7%

 

So what does the above show? That the UK lurched from a strong economic stand point to one that jumped a whopping 12.5% into the red far outstripping out EU neighbours.

 

All of this brought about by the prudent chancellor who not only sunk the UK economy but before the recession sold off our gold reserves at rock bottom prices when gold was at an all-time low against advise from the Bank of England.

 

Gordon Brown, the only unelected PM of the UK who sold us down the river and then scuttled off back to Scotland to hide. Who tried to buy the 2010 election by refusing to publish the Labour parties plans on cutting the deficit. What an Idiot. He was the worst PM we could have had, give me Tony Blair any day over that bullyboy twerp any day.

[espadrille]

The people who wanted Labour out, and the Lib-Dems in their place, are presumably happy. Labour are out, the Lib-Dems are - at least partly - in, and many disastrous Labour policies are being reversed. Large chunks of the Lib-Dem manifesto have been included in the Queen's Speech; for the first time in about eighty years, they are actually in power and getting to implement some of their policies.

 

This is true

 

As I keep saying, those that take the hard decisions are not going to be popular.

I am sure that Clegg knew that taking these tough decisions would make the Lib Dems unpopular as a party. It would be worrying if everyone was going along with it all.

However as said above, large parts of our manifesto are included for the first time in my lifetime and on the whole it is a great achievement to be able to say that had we not been involved things would only be much worse.

[espadrille]

ooh and what a ridiculous title to the thread.