Why Should Britain be in the EU

[Mr Prime]

I was the type angry at capitalism and demanding something better etc with withering contempt for most mainstream politicians. This was in my early 20's, I am now 34 and wince at some of that socialism. I realised that centre left types like John Smith had the correct approach with answers to people's problems as opposed to slogans for confrontation all the time. I realise that most MP's work hard for long hours and have to attend select committee's and discuss and read on issues for hours on end before arriving at decisions. That work can't be dismissed because of the duck pond minority. It is also the case that although I'd never vote Tory some of their views and actions are and were right. Blind tribalism is wrong. So to sum up I believe that despite the inevitable stupidity and laziness that may set in, the current system is the best there is.

 

I have respect both for the pubs and clubs talk I have taken part in and for good MP's, yes there are some. Yes the EU is a capitalist club but capitalism is the inevitable way of things. The last chance this nation had for socialism was in the early 70's. The chances before then in 1919 and 1926 were not followed through. If men of the calibre of Lenin, Trotsky or even Benn and Scargill could not lead us to socialism what chance is there really?

 

What is the alternative? A revolution? In which case who gives the masses leadership afterwards with so many wanting to? Do we toss a coin?

[INTERVIEWER]

I have respect both for the pubs and clubs talk I have taken part in and for good MP's, yes there are some.

 

Your previous posts on this thread, belittling the ordinary working class ("most of whom have no interest in politics and get their info from tabloids") reveal what you truly think. You are an elitist opposed to democracy, to ordinary decent people having a say in the running of their country. Democracy, for good or ill, gives everyone a voice - which you evidently hate.

 

You were never a real Socialist, as Socialists are able to empathise with others. Many of your comments on this thread can only be described as a complete disgrace. I now understand why you are so deferential towards our BBC masters.

[Mr Prime]

Your previous posts on this thread, belittling the ordinary working class ("most of whom have no interest in politics and get their info from tabloids") reveal what you truly think. You are an elitist opposed to democracy, to ordinary decent people having a say in the running of their country. Democracy, for good or ill, gives everyone a voice - which you evidently hate.

 

You were never a real Socialist, as Socialists are able to empathise with others. Many of your comments on this thread can only be described as a complete disgrace. I now understand why you are so deferential towards our BBC masters.

 

Well if that is your highly considered opinion I am sure I can live with it, what with everything you say on the BBC being so ridiculous.

 

Your agenda led mind is so predictable, yes I criticise ordinary people, I never said working class. More distortion from Mr sixth form arguer. It is my right to do so since I am one of them, from a working class background maybe lower middle now. The people I spoke to in pubs were politically active or very knowledgeable and some were Labour party members. Newsflash: most people are neither interested nor active. They get their info from the kind of trashy tabloids you cut and paste from.

 

I was also a union rep for many years, elected by 800 people. My empathy skills gave me those votes and I helped many workers using democracy. How many would vote for you?

 

As for BBC masters, that just sounds extreme and if you really care about ordinary people and democracy why do you work on here 24/7 trashing the BBC and promoting Sky? You seem to want capitalists to control the news unchallenged. Or did that inevitable result of your efforts not cross your peanut?

[Phoenix One]

Well do enlighten us what you actually mean by posts #58 through #61 then. Are you saying EU commissioners are committing treason or not?

 

Sorry for delay, and I do understand what you are saying, but you clearly missed what I was saying.

 

The post you referred to was #61 with regard EU commissioners. Note the post was extracted from our Parliament. I am not sure what the Lord was referring, as one would expect EU commissioners to be loyal to EU.

 

However, all actions pointed to were made against our own MPs, including Prime Ministers. All of which had sworn an oath to the crown. This is where acts of treason were investigated and shown.

[Phoenix One]

What will follow is copy of post made within the Sun site debating forum. Shortly after the post was made, the entire thread was deleted.

 

Post copy made on My Sun:

 

KRC quote: "I do not want case law on any old consitutional topic, I have told you what you need to prove your case. If you don't want to believe I read law at UCL that's your own choice. If you think you know better than me then maybe you do, but you can't provide one legal authority to suggest in any way that I might be the slightest bit wrong in what I say". Unquote.

 

KFC, what do you mean I need to prove my case? When did this forum become a court of law? And where did I state not believing you read law at UCL? Do you think your reading law makes you an expert, and note not even I infer such a thing. I had spent the past decade in courts fighting one public authority after another (over 17 civil action), and most without a solicitor, so exactly what are you trying to prove here? Further, I never inferred knowing anything better than you or anyone else here, and if I did why on earth would I need to quote those posted.

 

KRC quote: "So here is the case - it's Thorburn v Sunderland City Council [2002] 4 All E.R. 156. I have even included the citation so you can look it up in the law reports.". Unquote.

 

Lord Lloyd [(1976) 39 MLR 121 at 122-123] defined the "Bill of Rights" as a 'Constitutional code of human rights' that is binding in law, is (inevitably) generally worded and has the following characteristics.:

(a) The code should be given some overriding authority over other laws.

(b) Power should be vested in the judiciary (whether generally or by was of a Constitutional or Supreme Court) to interpret the rights of set forth in the Bill of Rights and to determine judicially their proper scope, extent and limits, and their relationship inter se.

© The judiciary will possess the power to declare legislation invalid which it holds to be repugnant to the rights guaranteed in the Bill of rights.

 

Extract from Coronation Oath, 2 June 1953 (relevant):

The Archbishop shall minister these questions; and The Queen, having a book in her hands, shall answer each question severally as follows:

Archbishop. Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan, and Ceylon, and of your Possessions and the other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs?

Queen. I solemnly promise so to do.

Unquote.

 

 

Note following extract from Monarchy web site:

 

The Sovereign/Monarch governs according to the constitution - that is, according to rules, rather than according to his or her own free will. The United Kingdom does not have a written constitution which sets out the rights and duties of the Sovereign, they are established by conventions. These are non-statutory rules which can be just as binding as formal constitutional rules.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/MonarchUK/HowtheMonarchyworks/Whatisconstitutionalmonarchy.aspx

Unquote.

 

 

Her Majesty the Queen possesses no political powers, and Parliament is Supreme. However, rights given cannot be removed. Parliament can repeal acts of previous Acts of Parliament, but cannot repeal rights given to the people without a mandate from the people.

 

I suspect you are confusing acts of government with that of Parliament. They are not the same thing. Further, Parliament represents the voice of the people. Parliament is the voice of the people. Every MP in parliament was elected by the people, and that includes the Prime Minister. Note, before someone says it, the people may not have elected who will be Prime Minister, but in order for any MP to become Prime Minister they must first be elected by the people.

 

The people became the ultimate power the moment they gained the right to vote.

[Phoenix One]

Tuesday, 2 November 2010

TREASON AND THE EU

On November 5th, effigies of Guy Fawkes will once again be burned on bonfires throughout Britain. 400 years ago, Fawkes was found guilty of “high treason” and condemned to a gruesome death.

 

Treason is described as "Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign...and the betrayal of one's country". So what about the politicians who have signed this country over to foreign rule by a European superstate?

 

Nearly 80% of the UK's laws now are made by unelected bureaucrats in the EU, millions of our tax pounds pour into the EU daily and we have no legal rights to control our own borders?

 

There was no grizzly end for the politicians who have betrayed our country. Instead they have been rewarded with fat pensions and plum jobs. It is time that we, the people, start to take back our country !

 

You can play an important role in ensuring that these treasonous individuals are made to answer for their act of betrayal. Find out how you can help READ MORE

 

To read more about this important issue, go to http://www.acasefortreason.org.uk

[Tony]

Nearly 80% of the UK's laws now are made by unelected bureaucrats in the EU, millions of our tax pounds pour into the EU daily and we have no legal rights to control our own borders?

 

Please provide a citation for this load of nonsense.

[truman]

Please provide a citation for this load of nonsense.

 

Well we have to let in EU nationals without hindrance...

[Phoenix One]

Please provide a citation for this load of nonsense.

 

I, and many others already had. Believe what you will or follow the bread crumbs, or should I say gravy train.

 

PS: Sorry, forgot to include link for post #124: http://www.taxfree15.org.uk/2010/11/treason-and-eu.html

[Tony]

That's not a credible citation. Please provide one.