Workfare - Long-term jobless 'made to work'

[harvey19]

No, I don't think so. I think it's the fact that there are more right-wing thugs who are likely to reply.

 

The idea cannot possibly work, you will see in the end. The question is how much damage will be done before people begin to see the light?

 

We will see in the future how things turn out.

But any scheme that may improve the present situation is a positive step.

[ricgem2002]

Not moaning just pointing out in answer to the comments on this thread that Benefit receivers will be "Forced to work for less than the minimum wage" there are already people out there who are choosing to live a life where they already choose to do that. Also I don't think that the working conditions where little or no H&S precautions existed should be tolerated. There were many losers in the programme ranging from the exploited workers to the taxpayers and even the genuine workers who lost this work due to sweat shops undercutting them.

but according to the government no one should be working for less than minimum wage . in relation to the programme you saw is this the people who choose to work for less than minimum wage ?quite rightly as you say no one should work in those conditions (yet they are working in them and doing nothing about it )why? you are knocking one certain element of working conditions at one place, yet agree in principle for benefit claimaints to work in those conditions

[ricgem2002]

We will see in the future how things turn out.

But any scheme that may improve the present situation is a positive step.

hope you like gardening then

[Gordonb]

but according to the government no one should be working for less than minimum wage . in relation to the programme you saw is this the people who choose to work for less than minimum wage ?quite rightly as you say no one should work in those conditions (yet they are working in them and doing nothing about it )why? you are knocking one certain element of working conditions at one place, yet agree in principle for benefit claimaints to work in those conditions

 

No I am not agreeing for anyone to be forced to work in those sort of conditions. Yes it is the workers who are choosing to work for that wage and within those conditions.

As a society EVERYONE has to put something in to the pot if they want to take something out. The super rich tax evaders often create wealth by employment. Also they spend their money on services or manufactured items which lead to further employment plus the money they spend usually incurrs some form of taxation. The unemployed often have little to spend and therefore pay little tax of any kind. It is only right therefore that they put something in if they wish to take something out. As a country we are heading towards a larger number of people living longer and needing more care which we will not be able to afford. Perhaps we should offer the jobless training in care provision so that they can assist the professional carers on a part time basis. I don't remember people knocking DOE participants for working for free over a few months or even Scouts/Guides who were always taught to care for others.

[harvey19]

hope you like gardening then

 

Not in this weather !!!

[Tony]

but according to the government no one should be working for less than minimum wage . in relation to the programme you saw is this the people who choose to work for less than minimum wage ?quite rightly as you say no one should work in those conditions (yet they are working in them and doing nothing about it )why? you are knocking one certain element of working conditions at one place, yet agree in principle for benefit claimaints to work in those conditions

 

They aren't working for a wage. They are working for their benefits.

[iansheff]

but according to the government no one should be working for less than minimum wage . in relation to the programme you saw is this the people who choose to work for less than minimum wage ?quite rightly as you say no one should work in those conditions (yet they are working in them and doing nothing about it )why? you are knocking one certain element of working conditions at one place, yet agree in principle for benefit claimaints to work in those conditions

 

Yes they are working in them but there are a lot of immigrants in Leicester and it did say that the police had been making arrests of illegal immigrants in these places.

[Mr Prime]

You mean like a yellow star?

 

Is it all a giant conspiracy? Perhaps the lizard people planned it?

[INTERVIEWER]

The unemployed often have little to spend and therefore pay little tax of any kind. It is only right therefore that they put something in if they wish to take something out.

 

This is completely wrong. The unemployed, and the poor in general, tend to pay a much bigger proportion of their total income in taxes than do the very rich. Almost every thing they purchase has some sort of tax upon it.

 

The richest members of society do pay a bigger proportion of their total income in direct taxes, such as income tax, while the very poorest pay a higher proportion of their total income to indirect taxation, such as VAT. Overall, the poorest pay more as a percentage of their total income to taxation than do the very wealthy.

[INTERVIEWER]

Of course, while the unemployed are engaged in their manual labour for 30 hours, for 4 weeks, it is unlikely that they will have to sign on and so the claimant count will miraculously fall. A far better option would be for the unemployed to be given real training to bring their skills up to date and make them relevant to the modern workplace. But that would cost a lot of money. Money which is better spent on increasing funding for the EU or international development aid, according to the Tories and the Lib Dems.