harvey19 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 No, its very old. Extremely low wages, well below the threshold for a decent standard of living, humiliating work - we're back to Victorian workhouse values. Maybe reintroducing the workhouse would be a better idea ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 As I read it the idea is to get people used to the idea of working for a living. What can be wrong in that. The consequences are what's wrong in that. A whole lot of menial, low-paid manual work currently done by people who are happy to do that work, will now be done for free by the unemployed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 There isn't an 'hourly rate' for out of work benefits - just a weekly rate. But this new welfare reform will stipulate a set number of hours to be worked per week (at least 30) which means an hourly rate of pay in relation to benefit can easily be identified. That should instill responsibility into a person. Their pay will be docked if they turn up late or do not work their full hours like in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert_Baehr Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvalidUser Posted November 7, 2010 Author Share Posted November 7, 2010 Maybe reintroducing the workhouse would be a better idea ? As I understand it this scheme will only apply to those who have been unemployed for a year or more. A year is plenty of time to find work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 The consequences are what's wrong in that. A whole lot of menial, low-paid manual work currently done by people who are happy to do that work, will now be done for free by the unemployed. You miss the point they will be doing something in return for their benefits, learning a work ethic and the responsible attitude that you don't get something for nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 As I understand it this scheme will only apply to those who have been unemployed for a year or more. A year is plenty of time to find work. As I said before I don't think those who have fallen on hard times by no fault of their own will be affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INTERVIEWER Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Action leads to motivation. The jobs market is saturated with hundreds of thousands of people with exactly the same qualifications (or lack of them), the same experience and the motivation to find a job. They do not need an incentive to work. The jobs are simply not out there - or are being taken by migrant workers. If the ConDems were to start a comprehensive job creation process, and at the same time re-skill the population for free, whilst ending all economic migration, then the situation would change. It should be remembered that three quarters of all highly skilled economic migrants in the UK are in unskilled jobs, according to Home Office figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INTERVIEWER Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Well that will put those on benefits on the same terms as the rest of us, won't it? Actually, not at all. The rest of society is protected from economic exploitation by the minimum wage. The unemployed carrying out forced labour are specially exempt from this legislation, and will be paid as little as £1.73 per hour. One of the richest countries in the developed world paying less than £2 an hour for manual work to its poorest citizens. Shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Poor and needy. Because they won't work. no because if this comes off they will be working albeit still poor and needy but glad your happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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