Asking for proof of age

[tom19890305]

Work in stores still? Hmm, maybe they've just got a new type.

 

Should do Theyre still accepted as a form of I.D in Supermarkets.Maybe or they've had alot of cloning of lost citizen cards or something.

[watchcoll]

Thanks for the links, matey.

 

I dont think people are that mad about having to provide ID for themselves, more about being refused their shopping because of someone else they happen to have with them. Especially when they might both be 10 years over age anyway. Most people probably don't see themselves as looking that young anyway and are shocked that they're being asked for age proof.Life, eh! Just sucks sometimes.

 

and they 'might' just be one year underage as well. thats the problem, without any proof you just don't know.

 

and i bet they'd be even more shocked if the cashier piped up: - "im not going to ask you for any id cos you look about 45!" when they were actually 25? might try that one day....

 

I'm glad you're relaxed about it

 

people should be. the licensed premises are faced with the situation of 'follow think 25 or dont get your license', nothing they or the public can do about that. if people dont carry id then thats their own fault, they know they might need it.

kicking off at the checkout aint gonna get you served either. and more people will be put out if their local shop loses its license and cant serve anyone with alcohol, compared to the few that take offence and fail to carry id (there are very few people that take offence actually, but they are bloody nasty when they do)

[carp hunter]

I am 25 and i always get asked for i.d. in the co op and i think its a good thing it stops all the young kids buying booze and cigs and going sitting in the park getting drunk .

[wodger]

It is not about the legal age . The fact that many kids look much older than they really are and also the other way round. If you notice the signs say " Look Under ". But if you have ID and are 18 then this will be OK.

[watchcoll]

some info for all those who think the retailers are just being silly by asking for id......

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7968626.stm

three sales of booze cost tesco over £6,000, (a lot more in bad publicity, for the sake of three bottles of beer) cos a member of their staff wasnt doing their job properly.

 

http://www.easthampshire.org/newsdetail/liphook_supermarket_has_licence_review_after_failed_test_purchase_operations/1019

sainsburies at it as well.

 

note the above incidents came about from people complaining to the police about the consequences of underage drinking in their neighbourhoods.

 

for anyone who wants the full low down on what you have to do to be allowed to sell alcohol to anyone, no matter how old they are then read this:

http://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/home-office-selling-alchol-april2010.pdf

 

'think 25' is a law in everything but name, going on the above:

'The Licensing Act 2003 (Mandatory Licensing Conditions) Order 20101 sets out the five new

conditions that will apply to all licensed premises and those with a club premises certificate.

From 6th April 2010, these conditions will:

• Ban irresponsible promotions;

• Ban the dispensing of alcohol directly into the mouth; and

• Ensure that customers have access to free tap water so that they can space out their drinks and not get too intoxicated too quickly.

From 1st October 2010, these conditions will also:

• Require an age verification policy to be in place to prevent underage sales; and

• Ensure that customers have the opportunity to choose small measures of beers, ciders, spirits

and wine.

Who do these conditions apply to?

If you run or are responsible for an on-trade premises, such as a pub, hotel or bar, or if you run a

members club then all five conditions apply to you. If you run or are responsible for an off-trade

premises, such as an off-licence or supermarket, then only the requirement on age verification

(Condition 4) applies to you.'

 

 

 

http://your.asda.com/challenge-25

asdas view on it.

for all those that think trying to tell the difference between a 17 year old and a 24 year old is a piece of cake, have a go at the picture test and let us know how accurate you were...

[Amaranthus]

 

'think 25' is a law in everything but name, going on the above:

'The Licensing Act 2003 (Mandatory Licensing Conditions) Order 20101 sets out the five new

conditions that will apply to all licensed premises and those with a club premises certificate.

From 6th April 2010, these conditions will:

• Ban irresponsible promotions;

• Ban the dispensing of alcohol directly into the mouth; and

• Ensure that customers have access to free tap water so that they can space out their drinks and not get too intoxicated too quickly.

From 1st October 2010, these conditions will also:

• Require an age verification policy to be in place to prevent underage sales; and

• Ensure that customers have the opportunity to choose small measures of beers, ciders, spirits

and wine.

Who do these conditions apply to?

If you run or are responsible for an on-trade premises, such as a pub, hotel or bar, or if you run a

members club then all five conditions apply to you. If you run or are responsible for an off-trade

premises, such as an off-licence or supermarket, then only the requirement on age verification

(Condition 4) applies to you.'

.

 

That says nothing about not selling alcohol to someone who has ID simply because they are in the presence of another person who has no ID yet who is not purchasing anything.

[watchcoll]

That says nothing about not selling alcohol to someone who has ID simply because they are in the presence of another person who has no ID yet who is not purchasing anything.

 

it is illegal to sell alcohol to anyone who is purchasing alcohol on behalf of someone who is underage.

 

so as much as a cashier cannot know for certain that that is what is happening, they also cannot know for certain that that is not what is happening. as much as they cannot know for certain that both those two people who they've never met or seen before are over 18, which is why they ask for id - so they can be certain.

they have to protect themselves by covering their back if they feel that there is a chance of that being the case, then they are duty bound to ask for id to be on the safe side - thats due diligence.

the customers may not like it, but tough. its a lot cheaper to not sell a bottle of wine than get fined thousands and get closed down.

 

i agree that if you are accompanied by a very young child and are buying a bottle of wine with a weeks shopping, then they wouldnt/shouldnt get asked for id.

 

if two people who you think look about the same age are together and buying 8 cans or a couple of bottles of wine (with food or otherwise) even if only one of them is paying there is enough indication there for the cashier to have to ask for id and exercise due diligence, whether both intend to drink it or not.

and its not a case of if you suspect that they will both drink it, its a case of whether there is a likelyhood that they may. basically its too risky to assume they wont, so you have to assume they will.

 

thats the only way the people who can get into a lot of trouble by making a mistake (or being slack happy) can protect themselves.

 

i always wonder why people see this whole thing as a battle between the retailers and the customers?

its been going on long enough for everyone to realise that the policy is in operation. if people have an aversion to carrying id then i dont think its justified for them to kick off when they do get asked for id. they are all aware of what the 'problem' is and are all aware of how to surmount that 'problem'.

when you stand behind a checkout and have to serve hundreds of strangers a day who you have never met before and will never remember again in a million years you have no choice but to use a policy that will protect you from prosecution. cos for all the genuine customers out there, there are kids trying it on - and you have no way of knowing which is which.

[Sharp87]

its easy to spot the supermarket jobsworths on these threads isnt it?

[watchcoll]

its easy to spot the supermarket jobsworths on these threads isnt it?

 

.... i think he means the people who go to work 9 hours a day, 5 days a week to run the risk of getting a fine, criminal record, losing the job, never being able to get another job etc etc so some members of the public you dont know or care about can get drunk.

 

....or the people who hold the license to sell alcohol in the first place, whos actual decision it is whether to sell someone alcohol or not, and the reason you can buy alcohol in the first place - no license, no alcohol after all. the ones who get a fine, criminal record, lose their job, go to prison, never stand a chance of getting another job at all, once they get let out of prison and have been made bankrupt cos they couldnt afford the £20,000 fine.

 

but what the hell, hey?

 

im fact, supermarket jobsworths, do away with the stress and hassle altogether - just refuse to serve ANYBODY with alcohol. you're perfectly entitled to and you stand no risk at all to yourself. remember: to sell alcohol its not up to the customer if they want to buy it, its up to you to decide if you want to sell it. thats why you get prosecuted and not them. so protect yourself and dont sell any to anyone!

 

problem solved.

[watchcoll]

it is a pathetic policy - pathetic in that it shouldn't be needed as the responsibility and penalties should fall to those making the purchases, not those that are selling.

 

seriously though,

no one will agree with that more than the poor sods that have to sell the stuff.