emanjay Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Someone in my family is distressed as their card has gone missing and cash has been withdrawn from a machine using the pin number - how can this be done?heard of other fraud but this is baffling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabelle Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Maybe its someone they know who has the number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Someone in my family is distressed as their card has gone missing and cash has been withdrawn from a machine using the pin number - how can this be done?heard of other fraud but this is baffling Shoulder surfing then pick pocket... Could even have been a mate... There are stories of being able to guess any pin number within 4 guesses, but as someone who's read a whole lot of cryptography books, I doubt it... Refer to second part of first if not lost whole wallet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Shoulder surfing then pick pocket... Could even have been a mate... There are stories of being able to guess any pin number within 4 guesses, How can you do this when you don't get a "you've got two numbers right" sort of prompt...there's 10,000 different numbers for a 4 digit pin (aren't there?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I do it for fun (password watching that is), I don't even really need to see the keyboard / numpad, just the movement. I do pull staff in shops, banks, and the such like. Even in the job centre a few times (1234, lol, lol, lol), but at least they have a pass card they need to have inserted, even though they leave them to go do something. And as you all know, you can easily make a card reader from an old tape deck (for those who even know what a tape deck is)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Wallace* Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I take it the card has been cancelled now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I do it for fun (password watching that is), I don't even really need to see the keyboard / numpad, just the movement. I do pull staff in shops, banks, and the such like. Even in the job centre a few times (1234, lol, lol, lol), but at least they have a pass card they need to have inserted, even though they leave them to go do something. And as you all know, you can easily make a card reader from an old tape deck (for those who even know what a tape deck is)... That's different to just cold guessing a pin which is what I thought you were referring to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 How can you do this when you don't get a "you've got two numbers right" sort of prompt...there's 10,000 different numbers for a 4 digit pin (aren't there?) Your right about the number of combinations, but then you've got the human element. This is why I can see the tactic being applied to say PC passwords, but not cashcards, not that you need the pin when using over the phone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 That's different to just cold guessing a pin which is what I thought you were referring to It was. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnnnik Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I got my card consumed in a Lloyds bank about 6 months ago. Despite reporting it it was taken for £28K around Wembley area. My bank returned everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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