Boblet Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Nick Clegg hasn't broken his pledge simply because there hasn't yet been a vote He may have tried to pressure the Government to introduce a fairer alternative, but, based on his recent comments I doubt it. He said on the radio yesterday something along the lines of, "This isn't my party's policy, but it is the right policy" He wasn't being naiive when he signed that pledge, he was being what he is, a clever, calculating politician. He only signed it because he believed it would improve his party's chances at the election - he was probably right about that. Incidentally, how unemotional are the phrases "baby faced", crying like a child who didn't get a new toy", and behaving "like a petulant child". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 It'll be worth it. Think of Camembert or Double Gloucester. You might even be able to stretch to a bottle of red wine to go with it! Don't, it's been almost a year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesday1 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 So you are dealing in facts then , or assumptions. Come on then give us something to show us that Clegg fought against the Tories on tuition fees or for the loan to Forgemasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espadrille Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Don't, it's been almost a year! paying off the debt, or waiting for the cheese and wine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesday1 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 He spoke to the banks on behalf of Wednesday too... That's ALL we need! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 paying off the debt, or waiting for the cheese and wine? A decent bottle of red... Cheese, there are times i'll sacrifice a lot to have, it's better than dark chocolate for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espadrille Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Come on then give us something to show us that Clegg fought against the Tories on tuition fees or for the loan to Forgemasters. My argument is that unless you are present in the room at the time of the discussions or have a very close ally you dont have the facts to say that Nick Clegg did or did not fight against something. My point was that people make assumptions that they know a person when they dont, and they know about that persons character when they dont. One cannot say that a person fought against something without the facts but what can be said is that you know what someones principals are and that that person would do everything he could to follow those principals. As I have said already being principled doesnt always get you what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 As I have said already being principled doesnt always get you what you want. More likely an easy target for ridicule! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boblet Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 One cannot say that a person fought against something without the facts but what can be said is that you know what someones principals are and that that person would do everything he could to follow those principals. If you don't know the person, how do you know they are principled enough to fight for their principles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesday1 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 My argument is that unless you are present in the room at the time of the discussions or have a very close ally you dont have the facts to say that Nick Clegg did or did not fight against something. My point was that people make assumptions that they know a person when they dont, and they know about that persons character when they dont. One cannot say that a person fought against something without the facts but what can be said is that you know what someones principals are and that that person would do everything he could to follow those principals. As I have said already being principled doesnt always get you what you want. Being unprincipled seems to though, wrt to Clegg. Hope it's been worthwhile for him and his party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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