Who is worse. Tax or benefit thieves?

[Berberis]

They are also rewarded with peerages, special advisory posts and invitations into the govn inner circle. A benefit cheat is rewarded with gaol.

 

The house of lords would be full the rafters if everyone who avoided tax was awarded a peerage. Don't be so naive.

 

Go get some business advise on starting a company. I bet you will be told to try and look as though you made a loss in the first year. This is tax avoidance, its wide scale and this is why the figure is so high.

[Loubbe]

The house of lords would be full the rafters if everyone who avoided tax was awarded a peerage. Don't be so naive.

 

Go get some business advise on starting a company. I bet you will be told to try and look as though you made a loss in the first year. This is tax avoidance, its wide scale and this is why the figure is so high.

 

Well thats OK then, lets vilify the single mothers who overstate their rent in the press and on fora. They are the real villians, trying to put food in their childrens mouths.

 

I don't agree with any type of fraud, I just hate how benefit fraud is viewed as the scourge of society, when other types are far more prevalent

 

http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/tax-evasion-costs-treasury-15-times-more-than-benefit-fraud/a378274

 

As for tax evasion, its only legal because successive govn are too frightened to try and close the loopholes, and ensure the rich pay their fair share

[andygardener]

They're very often the same people. A lot of benefit fraud involves people claiming as well as working on the side. That not only defrauds the taxpayer of the benefits, it defrauds them of tax that should have been paid and makes life harder for the rest of us that pay our taxes, take out the relevant insurances etc as if their rent and council tax is paid for and they've got £250 cash before they start working for the month they can undercut legitimate tradespeople thus damaging the legit (taxpaying) economy.

[Cyclone]

Tax evasion isn't legal. Tax avoidance is legal. It's not a single activity that you do though, it's not even really sensible to talk about 'tax avoidance' like a single activity, it's a huge range of activities all of which have tax breaks attached to them deliberately. They aren't loop holes they were all created on purpose.

[Berberis]

Well thats OK then, lets vilify the single mothers who overstate their rent in the press and on fora. They are the real villians, trying to put food in their childrens mouths.

 

I don't agree with any type of fraud, I just hate how benefit fraud is viewed as the scourge of society, when other types are far more prevalent

 

http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/tax-evasion-costs-treasury-15-times-more-than-benefit-fraud/a378274

 

As for tax evasion, its only legal because successive govn are too frightened to try and close the loopholes, and ensure the rich pay their fair share

 

First of all, tax evasion as stated many times is illegal.

 

Secondly, single mums are entitled to adequate benefits from the state and do not go hungry.

 

Thirdly, you cannot overstate your rent as you need to show a valid signed tenancy agreement.

 

And lastly, housing benefit is a set amount. If you qualify for the full benefit, your rent is not part of the calculation. If you pay more, you have to find the shortfall, if you pay less you pocket the difference.

 

Thank you, your insistance that those who avoid tax are all awarded peerages while those claiming benefits go hungry. This shows you have very little understanding on the subject and are just reacting to headlines and spin.

[ricgem2002]

First of all, tax evasion as stated many times is illegal.

 

Secondly, single mums are entitled to adequate benefits from the state and do not go hungry.

 

Thirdly, you cannot overstate your rent as you need to show a valid signed tenancy agreement.

 

And lastly, housing benefit is a set amount. If you qualify for the full benefit, your rent is not part of the calculation. If you pay more, you have to find the shortfall, if you pay less you pocket the difference.

 

Thank you, your insistance that those who avoid tax are all awarded peerages while those claiming benefits go hungry. This shows you have very little understanding on the subject and are just reacting to headlines and spin.

vodaphones tax bill alone could nearly bail out ireland but are you happy that the rest of the country will suffer in bailing them out ?

[Berberis]

vodaphones tax bill alone could nearly bail out ireland but are you happy that the rest of the country will suffer in bailing them out ?

 

Well the Inland Revenue and Vodafone deny they owe the amount people think they owe. Im intrigued as to where this figure came from considering there are no other authorities on tax in the UK.

 

Are you reacting to another headline by any chance?

[ricgem2002]

Well the Inland Revenue and Vodafone deny they owe the amount people think they owe. Im intrigued as to where this figure came from considering there are no other authorities on tax in the UK.

 

Are you reacting to another headline by any chance?

and you know that to be true ?its a cover up get used to it

[Berberis]

and you know that to be true ?its a cover up get used to it

 

So what do you know to be true then? You can subscribe to conspiracy theories if you like, but the rest of us will comment on the facts.

 

If Vodafone have evaded tax, then fine, they should pay it back, but if they have moved their operations out of the UK in order to pay less tax, then that is their business and perfectly legal. In fact the UK attract many foreign companies for that very reason, so to complain about Vodafone but to wish to attract companies from other nations to do the same thing, is hypercritical.

[ricgem2002]

So what do you know to be true then? You can subscribe to conspiracy theories if you like, but the rest of us will comment on the facts.

 

If Vodafone have evaded tax, then fine, they should pay it back, but if they have moved their operations out of the UK in order to pay less tax, then that is their business and perfectly legal. In fact the UK attract many foreign companies for that very reason, so to complain about Vodafone but to wish to attract companies from other nations to do the same thing, is hypercritical.

it must be so uplifting for you to beleive that these companies getting away with not paying their dues to the country is fine ?