How many Lib Dem voters on SF would do so again ?

[Tony]

A new teacher or nurse earning £25k a year now will pay £30 per month under the new proposal.How much do you think they will be earning in 2040 and how much will £30 be worth?

 

Will £30 buy you a Twix in 2040?

[Guest sibon]

A new teacher or nurse earning £25k a year now will pay £30 per month under the new proposal.How much do you think they will be earning in 2040 and how much will £30 be worth?

 

Will £30 buy you a Twix in 2040?

 

If the economy continues its current trend. I'd estimate that £30 will be worth roughly £31 in 2040.

 

The teacher earning £25k will still be paying his loan off though.

[Tony]

The teacher won't be earning £25k in 2040.

In 1987 I was earning £2k. I earn more now.

 

I'm not continuing with this weird point. It's a surreal discussion.

[Guest sibon]

The teacher won't be earning £25k in 2040.

In 1987 I was earning £2k. I earn more now.

 

I'm not continuing with this weird point. It's a surreal discussion.

 

There is nothing surreal about it. Graduates on modest incomes will pay their loans off over a long period of time, most of their working life in some cases.

 

The higher paid professions will shift the debt more quickly. Yet another reason for a talented person to choose accountancy over teaching, for example.

 

Maybe, we need to look at schemes for the state to partially pay off the loans of teachers, nurses etc. If not, recruitment will be even more difficult than it is now.

[Anna B]

A new teacher or nurse earning £25k a year now will pay £30 per month under the new proposal.How much do you think they will be earning in 2040 and how much will £30 be worth?

 

Will £30 buy you a Twix in 2040?

 

Once the precedent is set - gargantuan University fees repaid at a given rate - the Government can and will change the rules (and rates) at any time to suit itself. So any calculations such as the above are meaningless.

 

It wasn't long ago that the precedent was set that, for the first time, students would pay a contribution to their University education instead of receiving it 'free' ie. paid for from normal taxation. Look at what that has morphed into now. Do you really trust this or any other government to keep its word on fees or repayment rates?

[hard2miss]

The easy (and correct road) for the coalition to take would have been for a Conservative to introduce the bill and all of the Lib Dems to abstain. That would have left the pledge intact and allowed the increase in fees.

 

 

As I said, it all calls Nick Clegg's judgement into question. He will find this very difficult to shake off.

 

 

I've got a tenner on Alan Johnson being Prime Minister by 2013.

The reason they did not do that was because of this voting reform referendum.

 

The Lib Dems being the party most likely to gain from a change in the voting system will now have a rebellion against them in the referendum (people voting against it with it being their policy) and Cameron knew this.

Even if it was to be passed they will still find it an up hill struggle politically to gain anything from it, at least at the next election when all this will still be fresh in peoples minds.

 

No, Cameron know what he was doing, Nick just didn't feel him slipping the rope around his neck.

[Vague_Boy]

I think next May the public are going to make their feelings clear to the Lib Dems when we vote in the council elections and for an alternative voting system.

 

And the current system has served us so well over the last 50 years.

[Vague_Boy]

There is nothing surreal about it. Graduates on modest incomes will pay their loans off over a long period of time, most of their working life in some cases.

 

Certainly seems likely given recent trends.

 

Low or non-existent pay rises

 

Fewer decent jobs for graduates

 

A glut of graduates in the job market

 

Degrees having been devalued

 

Welcome to the world of lifetime debt slavery.

 

Oh wait, most of you are already here.

[Sausage Dog]

That's true, but he hadn't broken his pledge. He hadn't lied either since when he made it you can be sure that he meant it.

 

Situations change. Coming third but getting a seat at the top table for one.

 

 

True once again. He's made a right pigs ear of what should have been an easy sell once you had people understanding what the reality of the situation is.

 

 

 

I've still got that tenner on William Hague being PM in or around 2012.

 

Not a bad bet 6 months ago, but old 14 pints didn't do himself any favours with the Tory right over his recent room sharing activities, did he?

[lizmachin]

I'm not really sure that the tuition fees issue is actually the big deal that some would have us believe.

The current batch of students will emerge from university with debts because of fees introduced by the Labour administration. Any students who will be affected by the current proposed increases probably aren't even old enough to vote anyhow.

I know we all see a load of folk taking to the streets to cause riots and smash windows, but I've seen little to convince me that most are students, and those that are voted L/D in the first place. Certainly the buses taking demonstrators to London were provided by the Socialist Worker, and leads me to believe that many of those demonstrating were just a left wing rent a mob.