Migrants on dole are 'true heroes' says harriet harman.

[TeaFan]

Eloquently put, Cressida, and absolutely accurate.

 

It was tactless, whether or not she was referring to illegal worker migrants, legally resident worker migrants, workless migrants receiving welfare benefits or to any other category of people responsible for the £ billions in remittances flowing out of the country every year. 'Heroes' they are not.

 

are you against globalisation then? If manufacturing was carried out here instead of China, wouldn't that prevent revenue flowing out of the country every year?

[Swan_Vesta]

I would have thought that the 'true heroes' are the soldiers who are fighting an unpopular war, the police man who secures the streets despite the threat to his job, the probation officer who supervises the dangerous people that our pathetic laws have deemed suitable to roam our communities, the prison officer who deals with the violent and disturbed despite the threat of privitisation or the nurse who does a shift on a Friday or Saturday night with every freak, drunkard or drug addict trying to assault her or feel her up.

 

Can't see how jobless immigrants sending money out of the country are displaying more heroism than those brave souls above.

[Michael_W]

Harriet Harman truly represents what is wrong with the Labour party, she is absolutely clueless, Mrs Thatcher was more 'working class' than this idiot, she and her ilk make me puke

[Halibut]

Harriet Harman truly represents what is wrong with the Labour party, she is absolutely clueless, Mrs Thatcher was more 'working class' than this idiot, she and her ilk make me puke

 

Thanks for sharing that Michael.

[Halibut]

I would have thought that the 'true heroes' are the soldiers who are fighting an unpopular war, the police man who secures the streets despite the threat to his job, the probation officer who supervises the dangerous people that our pathetic laws have deemed suitable to roam our communities, the prison officer who deals with the violent and disturbed despite the threat of privitisation or the nurse who does a shift on a Friday or Saturday night with every freak, drunkard or drug addict trying to assault her or feel her up.

 

Can't see how jobless immigrants sending money out of the country are displaying more heroism than those brave souls above.

 

Indeed, but it wasn't the jobless that Harman was talking about.

 

The immigrants she was talking about could be doing any one of those jobs, (which you quite rightly applaud) - especially nursing! - and sending back cash to support their families in their country of origin.

[steiner]

It really doesn't bother me. If they are not spending the money on themselves and sending it home what difference does it make. They receive the same amount..

 

its our tax money mate blimey some just dont get it do they.

[cressida]

Eloquently put, Cressida, and absolutely accurate.

 

It was tactless, whether or not she was referring to illegal worker migrants, legally resident worker migrants, workless migrants receiving welfare benefits or to any other category of people responsible for the £ billions in remittances flowing out of the country every year. 'Heroes' they are not.

 

Right as usual LordC - I also think Cameron can be tactless at times, I believe he was being shown round a bread factory and remarked that he and his wife had just bought a breadmaker:D

 

(I won't mention his calling the UK a junior partner to the US - Oh dear I just have:o;))

 

and the personal stylist fiasco!!

[Swan_Vesta]

Indeed, but it wasn't the jobless that Harman was talking about.

 

The immigrants she was talking about could be doing any one of those jobs, (which you quite rightly applaud) - especially nursing! - and sending back cash to support their families in their country of origin.

 

I made the mistake of reading the cited Star article. I have no objection for anyone sending back money that they've earned (how could I, they've earnt it ... spend it on porn, pies or sending it back home - it's their to do with as they wish). It's the idea of sending benefit money abroad which sticks in my craw.

[Michael_W]

Thanks for sharing that Michael.

 

No problem, thankyou, that really is a touching thought from someone who has contributed so much to Sheffield forum, with over 15,000 'really interesting' posts

 

Any way back to the point in question true heroes ?

Really ?

If Harriet Harman (a leading Labour politician, no less) thinks so, then god help us all

I do wish more of our politicians got out a little more and took on board, the thoughts and feelings of the general public !

[LordChaverly]

are you against globalisation then? If manufacturing was carried out here instead of China, wouldn't that prevent revenue flowing out of the country every year?

 

No Teafan, I am not against globalisation, which is without doubt a positive force in the world. However, globalisation does not mean (nor should it mean) that states no longer have any control over their own borders. Nor does it necessarily imply global mass migration. The error implicit in your question above is that labour is like any other factor of production, whereas in fact it is qualitatively different, because it engenders social and economic externalities. I am against the mass migration policies so recklessly pursued by the Labour governments of 1997-2010, because these policies took no account of their irreversible social and economic consequences. Harman, who is basically a patrician populist, with no discernible talent apart from that required to shinny up the career ladder within the Labour party, was more than just complicit in the policies referred to above.