Obelix Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Indeed they were Yeah sure. And if they hadn't made such a ballsup of it you would be claiming how socialist and progessivley left thinking they were as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hard2miss Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Given equal constituency sizes - which should be in place by the time of the next election - the Tories wouldn't have needed their help anyway. It would have been Labour, five years ago, which failed to reach a majority. Given that the Lib Dems pushed for this to keep the Tories warm and with the student fiasco, I wouldn't be so sure on the reform that's needed getting passed. Maybe the biggest slap in the Nick Cleggs face could be that not going their way, and probably why David Camaron let him hang himself with the student fee's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sibon Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Yeah sure. And if they hadn't made such a ballsup of it you would be claiming how socialist and progessivley left thinking they were as well... If they had been socialist and progressively left thinking, then they wouldn't have made a balls up of it. It was being Tory-Lite that caused the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milford Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 If they had been socialist and progressively left thinking, then they wouldn't have made a balls up of it. It was being Tory-Lite that caused the problems. Labour lite would have been so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 If they had been socialist and progressively left thinking, then they wouldn't have made a balls up of it. It was being Tory-Lite that caused the problems. Why not? Every one that has tried has made a balls-up of it from the moment it was conceived, for the reasons I give below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caparo Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 It would not be the first time that a sitting party leader has lost an election - indeed, we've had a Prime Minister lose his seat before. All that normally happens is that a by-election is engineered in a very safe seat to bring he (or she) straight back. But has their ever been a party leader loose his seat in an election he called before the parliments full term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Very few marginal seats in Sheffield afaik.Apart from the Labour heartlands in traditional lower working class-dominated heavy industry areas (which understandably aren't goung to sway no matter how badly Labour screwed the country), the election results map of England is pretty much blue throughout. If you were to remove the Scottish and Welsh Labour support, we'd be safely Tory every election because England has a huge Conservative majority. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/2010_UK_general_election_results It's only areas like Sheffield where most voters just can't see the big picture and vote based on class envy rather than common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dell12 Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Apart from the Labour heartlands in traditional lower working class-dominated heavy industry areas (which understandably aren't goung to sway no matter how badly Labour screwed the country), the election results map of England is pretty much blue throughout. If you were to remove the Scottish and Welsh Labour support, we'd be safely Tory every election because England has a huge Conservative majority. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/2010_UK_general_election_results It's only areas like Sheffield where most voters just can't see the big picture and vote based on class envy rather than common sense. Sheffield Central was pretty marginal. Less than 200 votes in it. The map only looks like that because most people live in cities, hence wards are smaller. I wonder how it would look with PR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigthumb Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 If they had been socialist and progressively left thinking, then they wouldn't have made a balls up of it. We can only guess at that, but its refreshing to hear a socialist actually acknowledging that Labour did balls it up. Mind you If they had been socialist and progressively left thinking, then they wouldn't have got elected in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Sheffield Central was pretty marginal. Less than 200 votes in it.That doesn't mean there's any risk of Sheffield becoming a Tory-dominated council this side of Armageddon. The map only looks like that because most people live in cities, hence wards are smaller. In England, the Tories have 298 seats, Labour 191, Lib Dem 43, Green 1. 56% Tory seats in England. I wonder how it would look with PR? In terms of votes, that was Conservative 39.7%, Labour 28.2%, Lib Dem 24.1%, UKIP 3.4%” Data here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/region/48.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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