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[Grahame]

So you claim the quran is the word of mohammed but the bible isn't the word of God?

 

Jesus was more than a prophet, he was God incarnate.

 

[Baz1]

As you said man bastardises religion and that happened in the Old Testament.

 

The thing is many Muslims believe and act on verses like these.

 

KORAN commands to kill infidels:

 

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

 

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

 

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

 

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

 

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216

(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

 

Typical misquoting and out of context- a favorite of the missionaries.

[Grahame]

Typical misquoting and out of context- a favorite of the missionaries.

 

Explain then please.

 

[spindrift]

. whoever slays a soul, unless it be for murder or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew entire mankind; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept entire mankind alive; ... (Quran 5:32)

 

 

In the light of the above verse, it seems that there are only two reasons to take the life of a soul, for murder and for mischief in the land. Apostasy, however, falls in neither of the two categories. As a result, I tend to agree with the scholars who believe that apostasy is not subject to capital punishment and an apostate has a right to live as any other citizen in an Islamic state.

[xenia]

My point exactly.

The Old Testament is not Christianity. Jesus had not been born.

[Grahame]

. whoever slays a soul, unless it be for murder or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew entire mankind; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept entire mankind alive; ... (Quran 5:32)

 

 

In the light of the above verse, it seems that there are only two reasons to take the life of a soul, for murder and for mischief in the land. Apostasy, however, falls in neither of the two categories. As a result, I tend to agree with the scholars who believe that apostasy is not subject to capital punishment and an apostate has a right to live as any other citizen in an Islamic state.

 

But if you are a mischief maker or a murderer it is the death penalty?

 

It used to be in England for murder but mischief can mean lots of things.

 

[Grahame]

My point exactly.

 

The commandment given to Moses was "Thou shalt not kill."

[Baz1]

The Old Testament is not Christianity. Jesus had not been born.

 

 

 

But he also never came to change or abolish The Law (what you follow is the teaching of Paul not Jesus- yet you call Jesus your saviour and Lord.

 

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them

(Matthew 5:17)

 

So Jesus taught his people to follow the law, and he also said that his mission wasn't to abolish the law, in other words the law was still applicable and to be followed.

 

Now lets see what paul says on this matter in the NT:

 

Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified

. (Galatians 2:16)

 

But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love

(Galatians 5:5-6)

 

Paul even goes as far as saying that the law was weak and powerless:

 

For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man

(Romans 8:3)

 

So this is what we have, according to Jesus:

 

-Follow the Law

 

-The Law isn't abolished or destroyed

 

According to Paul:

 

-No need for the Law

 

-The Law is Weak

 

-The Law cannot save you

 

-Faith can only save you

 

 

You can see a big difference in how Jesus taught and what the supposed apostle Paul taught.

 

This is how Jesus advised and answered a man who asked him somethings:

 

As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good?except God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother." "Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy." Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

(Mark 10:17-21)

 

If he went to Paul and asked the same question, would he get the same answer? The answer is quite obvious, Paul would give a completely different reply to that of Jesus, and the above verses prove it, Jesus said follow the Law, Paul said no need for the Law; it's all about the faith, a completely different response to that of Jesus!!!

 

So Graham, bow down to your Lord, Paul.

[spindrift]

But if you are a mischief maker or a murderer it is the death penalty?

 

It used to be in England for murder but mischief can mean lots of things.

 

The Old Testament law commanded the death penalty for various acts:

 

murder (Exodus 21:12),

 

kidnapping (Exodus 21:16),

 

bestiality (Exodus 22:19),

 

adultery (Leviticus 20:10),

 

homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13),

 

being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5),

 

prostitution and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24),

 

and several other crimes.

[Grahame]

Seeing as Muslims turn often to the Old Testament, why not take the next step and follow the teaching of Jesus?

 

There are lots of Muslims who already do.