Vigilance Necessary

[spooky3]

Drunken post!

[andyofborg]

I'm still waiting to meet someone who was asked if they wanted multiculturalism or the mass influx of immigrants.

 

Generally speaking, there has been a shortage of workers in this country since at least the second world war and probably since the first one. The way to resolve this shortage was though immigration. The only other alternative would have been a mass breeding program but that wouldn't have done anything to solve the problem for 16 years and I doubt the population of the time would have accepted such a solution.

 

What do you offer instead of multiculturism? What is multiculturalism anyway?

[Conrod]

Generally speaking, there has been a shortage of workers in this country since at least the second world war and probably since the first one. The way to resolve this shortage was though immigration. The only other alternative would have been a mass breeding program but that wouldn't have done anything to solve the problem for 16 years and I doubt the population of the time would have accepted such a solution.

When we have about 3 million non-working people in the UK, most of whom are perfectly capable of work but lazy, the solution is to realign those people and get them into work, not to increase the population of an already overcrowded island, be that by breeding or bringing in people from overseas.

 

What do you offer instead of multiculturism? What is multiculturalism anyway?

Multiculturalism is a failed left wing social experiment which intended to give freedom to minority groups but just built social divisions by reducing incentives for minorities to integrate with the broader society. Another one of Labour's great legacies.

[Kaimani]

'multiculturalism' as i understand labor to have designed it is a failure. no doubt. you just acn't legislate how people fell and and think.

they meant well though. after bring many people from other nations to build the underground, the motorway system, fight The Wars under the country's banner it would have been inhumane to just then say 'go back' after most of them had been here for decades and had children here.

another little known fact, maybe, is that as part of the dissolution of empire the commonwealth was formed as exactly that-the realization that, for better or worse, all nations involved had benefited from it and so the situation should continue.

and, i think, it has, for the most part worked. an open border policy, though inevitable in a couple of generation or so, would be unworkable and ill advised. totally stopping immigration would hurt Britain. mass repatriation would leave the country a global pariah. control is the only real solution, for now.

and integration is not really an option, it has to be a must.

[sccsux]

If this was Facebook I would "like" this comment.

 

Simple things amuse simple minds:thumbsup:

[andyofborg]

When we have about 3 million non-working people in the UK, most of whom are perfectly capable of work but lazy, the solution is to realign those people and get them into work, not to increase the population of an already overcrowded island, be that by breeding or bringing in people from overseas.

 

we may have that now, but for much of the last 60 years we haven't.

 

over the last 30 years we have had at least one government which has been quite willing to use mass unemployment as a tool of economic policy. all of them have refused to do anything meaningful regarding retraining and reskilling the unemployed and allowed industry to use the cheaper (for them) option of importing labour rather than developing the home grown workforce. they have done nothing to prevent them moving production completely to countries with cheaper overheads.

 

Multiculturalism is a failed left wing social experiment which intended to give freedom to minority groups but just built social divisions by reducing incentives for minorities to integrate with the broader society. Another one of Labour's great legacies.

 

no one has ever really defined what multiculturalism is or really provided any sensible criteria as to whether or not it can be judged successful or unsuccessful.

 

what do you offer as an alternative?

[sccsux]

Drunken post!

 

Too late an edit:D

[Cavegirl]

we may have that now, but for much of the last 60 years we haven't.

 

over the last 30 years we have had at least one government which has been quite willing to use mass unemployment as a tool of economic policy. all of them have refused to do anything meaningful regarding retraining and reskilling the unemployed and allowed industry to use the cheaper (for them) option of importing labour rather than developing the home grown workforce. they have done nothing to prevent them moving production completely to countries with cheaper overheads.

 

no one has ever really defined what multiculturalism is or really provided any sensible criteria as to whether or not it can be judged successful or unsuccessful.

 

what do you offer as an alternative?

 

This is an interesting article by Kenan Malik about what multiculturalism means. He divides the term into two definitions, the first as a lived experience (the value of diversity and cosmopolitisation in society) and the second as a political tool aimed at defining the needs and rights of people by putting them into ethnic boxes. Malik states:

 

The logical end point of such policies came with communities minister John Denham's announcement last year of £12m for white working-class communities...The aim of Denham's policy is clearly to ward off the BNP in areas such Barking and Dagenham in East London. Its consequence, however, will be to feed the BNP's own pursuit of white identity and to legitimise the idea that such identity needs privileging. And that is, perhaps, the biggest indictment of multicultural policies: they have helped turn racism into another form of cultural identity.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/17/multiculturalism-diversity-political-policy

 

I think that Malik's distinction of the different forms of multiculturalism is a useful one. The lived experience of diversity is a beneficial thing for any nation because it goes a long way towards preventing the type of rampant nationalism that occurred under the Nazi's. It adds value to society through the introduction of new cultural means of expression and modes of living because it holds a mirror to our own society and asks us to question what we see.

 

The political form of multiculturalism is however, doing great harm to society because it is playing different parts of society off against each other and is strengthening the idea that different cultural groups within it (particularly at the moment the white working classes) should receive different treatment based upon their racial/ social identity.

[roger_pearse]

When we have about 3 million non-working people in the UK, most of whom are perfectly capable of work but lazy, the solution is to realign those people and get them into work, not to increase the population of an already overcrowded island, be that by breeding or bringing in people from overseas.

 

The argument "we need to bring in people" is just an excuse and always was.

[roger_pearse]

I think that Malik's distinction of the different forms of multiculturalism is a useful one. The lived experience of diversity is a beneficial thing for any nation because it goes a long way towards preventing the type of rampant nationalism that occurred under the Nazi's.

 

We are in no danger of Nazism, and have not been for 60 years, tho.

 

But it's worth remembering that the 20th century started with several multi-cultural states like the Austro-Hungarian empire, and Yugoslavia was created later still.

 

They aren't with us today.