spooky3 Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 Who says pimping would be involved? Because it makes business sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted December 28, 2010 Author Share Posted December 28, 2010 Because it makes business sense! The business runs fine in Germany and The Netherlands where many girls operate as "sole traders", so to speak. They merely pay rent of between €40- €100 a night for the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discodown Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 Fascinating, all these people calling for the legalisation of pimping. For the daughters of others, of course...But the current status quo is worse. you aren't going to get rid of prostitution so you may as well make it as safe as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 Fascinating, all these people calling for the legalisation of pimping. For the daughters of others, of course... it's for the protection of those unfortunate enough to end up in that situation. should my own daughter end up in such a situation( i would have failed with flying colors as a father) i would rather she could go to the police if someone abused her instead of having to rely on some pimp, or just take it as risk of the profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted December 28, 2010 Author Share Posted December 28, 2010 Fascinating, all these people calling for the legalisation of pimping. For the daughters of others, of course... You prefer things as they are? It is only women living at the very edges of society, desperately trying to support themselves, their children, a violent pimp, and often an addiction, who are left working the streets. There are also a growing number of asylum-seekers and refugees, with no access to public funds and little, if any, social support, who work there to buy food. 1990 Gail Whitehouse, 23, a mother of two from Wolverhampton, was strangled and dumped in bushes in Birmingham's red-light district. 1993 Karen McGregor, 26, was not found for days after her battered and naked body was hidden in the Scottish Exhibition Centre car park, Glasgow. 1994 Dawn Shields, 19, from Sheffield, mother of a one-year-old boy, was found naked in a shallow grave at the Peak District beauty spot of Mam Tor by a National Trust warden. 2000 Vicky Glass, 21, from Middlesbrough had been missing for two months before her naked and badly decomposed body was found dumped in a stream in moorland near Danby, North Yorkshire. 1991 Maria Requena, 26, from Manchester, was found dismembered, her body parts stuffed into bags thrown into Pennington Flash, Leigh, and found by two children. 1994 Julie Finley, 23, from Liverpool, was found strangled and dumped naked in a field by a lovers' lane near Skelmersdale, Lancashire. 1991 Diane McInally, 23, was found battered to death in Pollok Park, Glasgow, so disfigured she was recognisable only by her fingerprints. 2000 ZOE LOUISE PARKER, 24, from London, had her severed upper torso dumped in the Thames near Battersea, west London, but the rest of her body has not been found. 1991 Sarah Crump, 31, found dead from stab wounds in her flat in Southall, west London. The main suspect was cleared because of insufficient evidence. 1995 Marjorie Roberts, 34, was found in the river Clyde, not far from where another prostitute's body, that of Leona McGovern, 22, was discovered earlier that year. 2002 Michelle Bettles, 22, was found strangled in woods near Dereham, Norfolk, three days after disappearing from the red-light area of Norwich. 1992 Natalie Pearman, 16, was found strangled at Ringland Hills, Norfolk. Her killer was never found but police looked at a possible link with Ipswich killer Steve Wright. 1991 Janine Downes, 22, a mother of three from Wolverhampton, was brutally murdered and her half-naked body dumped in a Shropshire lay-by. 1996 Jackie Gallagher, 26, was found dead by a roadside in Glasgow. A man was tried in 2004, but the jury did not find not enough evidence to convict him. 2001 Michaela Hague, 25, was stabbed during an attack in Sheffield. She gave police information in hospital before she died, but her killer was never arrested. 2002 Julie Dorsett, 33, from Hackney, went missing in 2002. In 2008, her upper body skeleton was found wrapped in a duvet and dumped in Walthamstow. 1992 Yvonne Fitt, 33, from Bradford was found bound and gagged in a shallow grave. She had an 11-year-old daughter. Three people were questioned but not charged. 1991 Sharon Hoare, 19, from Bristol, was found strangled in her luxury flat in Fulham, west London. Her mother had not known what her daughter did for a living. 1993 Carol Clark, 32, from Bristol was found half naked in the Sharpness Canal. She had had a heart attack after a violent blow to the throat. 1993 Mandy Duncan, 26, a mother of two who was working as a prostitute in Ipswich, went missing and was never found. An anonymous death threat was found in her flat. 1997 Tracey Wylde, 21, was found beaten to death in her Glasgow flat. She had a three-year-old daughter. In spite of the poor soundproofing, neighbours gave no evidence. 2001 Rebecca Hall, 19, died from head injuries after a sustained, vicious and brutal beating, her naked body dumped in a Bradford alley. Her case remains unsolved. 2005 Emma Caldwell, 27, from Glasgow, was reported missing after she left a hostel. Her body was found dumped in woods more than a month later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger_pearse Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 Who says pimping would be involved? At the moment it is impossible for a pimp to hide what he is doing. If the woman is a hooker and giving him money, he's nicked. Under the new proposals there are endless ways for such a person to hide his involvement. Renting floor-space, for instance. For practical purposes these proposals will legalise pimping. We've got to look past the spin to see how it would really work. Prostitution is a miserable business. But I don't believe for a moment that the interests behind these proposals give a damn about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted December 28, 2010 Author Share Posted December 28, 2010 Mr Byrne told the BBC: "Any murder [is] one too many and if we can do something simple and effective to stop that then we should do so." Averting killings would not only save lives but also cash from hard-pressed police budgets, he said. "When times are tough and you have all the austerity and revolution going on in the public service ... there's some hard [edged] maths to be done here," he said. "If you can invest a small amount of money in rolling the scheme out, you can prevent an awful lot of crime." Asked about more fundamental reforms such as legalising brothels, he said: "Perhaps the law does need changing - some of it is frankly complicated. "We'd be keen for a dialogue to see if there's a better way of managing the problem - be it ideas around criminalising some parts of it and not others. I think it's time for that debate." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-chiefs-back-prostitution-reform-2170692.html# Prostitution is legal in many European countries (e.g. Germany, Switzerland et.c.) and so what is so peculiarly different about Britain that means it has to be verboten here? The three women in Bradford and the four in Ipswich would probably be alive today if it were legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 Fascinating, all these people calling for the legalisation of pimping. For the daughters of others, of course... it may not be an ideal career choice but most people who enter prostitution don't seem to have much choice about it. prostitution happens now, always has happened and probably always will. legal prohibition protects no one but the pimps because the sex workers are left in a position where they are unable to seek assistance from the police or any other agency. decriminalising aspects of prostitution will shine a light under the stone and eventually drive most, if not all, of the pimps out of the business. it will also make it easier for those who want to get out to get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger_pearse Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 You prefer things as they are? Certainly. It is only women living at the very edges of society...<snip sobbing> Indeed. Making them the prey of pimps will not aid them. 1990 Gail Whitehouse, 23, a mother of two from Wolverhampton, was strangled and dumped in bushes in Birmingham's red-light district. 1993 (etc) How very cynical of you. You're proposing to use the new brothels, right? Or just to buy shares in one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted December 28, 2010 Author Share Posted December 28, 2010 At the moment it is impossible for a pimp to hide what he is doing. . Complete rubbish, other wise the convictions for pimping would run at many thousands of times the current rate. Most prostitution is unseen, bothers nobody, and is untouched by the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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