denlin Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 You can tell who the loony right are - the ones who accuse the last Labour Government of being even the slightest bit "socialist" I'm with you on that one, socialism is no more, Keir Hardie would be spinning in his grave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I'm with you on that one, socialism is no more, Keir Hardie would be spinning in his grave Keir Hardie was an intelligent man. He would have known when to admit that socialism was a busted flush that could not work. He'd have given up on it many years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3 Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 ... socialism is no more, ... So what did it say on all those placards they were burning at the student protest riots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 So what did it say on all those placards they were burning at the student protest riots? I didn't see many calling for the nationalisation of the UK's industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3 Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I didn't see many calling for the nationalisation of the UK's industry. I didn't hear them calling for anything, just calling the Police names! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I'm not very political but have always been of the opinion that all politicians can only ever really achieve something close to a status quo. The op is clearly an achiever and on the face of it, has done well for themselves. Born and brought up in subsidised housing, with a subsidised education and health service that wouldn't have been there without some form of socialist ideals. Is KellieB now wanting to deny the next generation the same opportunities? Well said - I couldn't have put it better myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 So what did it say on all those placards they were burning at the student protest riots? socalist workers party? where else do you see / hear about them apart from demos? where have we EVER seen them apart from on demos selling their papers? when the term socialist was used it was meant to mean generally, in a proper political way ie:- nulaBORE are socialist, thats the gist of the op, laBORE havent been anywhere near socialist or indeed to the left for a lot lot lot of years of course you get people supporting fringe organisations, of course socialism exists in a very very small fringe minority i still use the ZX Spectrum, but its only a fringe computer its seeing nowhere near the popularity of use that it used to / other computers see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossyrooney Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I'm not very political but have always been of the opinion that all politicians can only ever really achieve something close to a status quo. The op is clearly an achiever and on the face of it, has done well for themselves. Born and brought up in subsidised housing, with a subsidised education and health service that wouldn't have been there without some form of socialist ideals. Is KellieB now wanting to deny the next generation the same opportunities? Top post......Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Shame Labour have always had to deal with the mess left by the Tories though isn't it? Still, you're better than everyone else aren't you? You know if you put your response in front of a mirror its correct 1979 - Conservative win and has to clean up the mess left by Labour. 1983 - Conservative win despite recession in 1980-1982. 1987 - Conservative win. 1992 - Conservative win despite recession 1990-1992. 1997 - Labour win, Conservatives lose due to sleaze. 2001 - Labour win. 2005 - Labour win. 2010 - Conservative/Lib Dem defeat Labour due to recession in 2008-9. I see a pattern here. As soon as the economy goes into recession, labour **** it up and the conservatives then take office (with Lib Dems in 2010) to fix the problem, however when a conservative government is in power, the population seems happy with their handling of the crisis. In 1997 the UK economy was growing well while debt was falling. There was no mess and Labour came to power on the wave left by the conservatives. Of course they blamed anything negative on the previous government and they dined out on that for about 5 years, before claiming credit for the global bubble that burst thoroughly killing off any chances Labour had of winning the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Did Churchill quote that just after he lost the post war election to the socialists? In fact this is often quoted as coming from Churchill, but I'm not 100% sure it does. The only quote I can find with any any aspect of which is attributed to Churchill is from an address of the commons back on the 22nd October 1945: I earnestly hope that the Government will give unprejudiced attention to the suggestions I have ventured to make. They are put forward in no spirit of controversy but in the general interest. If we do not get this country going again pretty soon, if we do not get the great wheels turning, we may lose for ever our rightful place in the post-war economic world and we may involve our finances in dire and irretrievable confusion. It is no party matter, but one in which the House as a whole should make its opinion felt in a way that will override all hesitations and obstacles which are found in the path. In order to bring us all together, I will end this practical discourse in a philosophic vein. The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. In the present case, where an overwhelming majority of Service men and women would gain the blessings, can we not unite on the broad democratic principle of "the greatest good of the greatest number"? Churchill was indeed the leader of the opposition at the time, but what he actually says, is far from what is regularly quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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