spindrift Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Motorways have the most crashes then spindrift? And you've attempted to conflate minor traffic accidents with pedestrian deaths, well done, but I'm not buying it. You said minor increases in speed make no difference. They would save 200 lives a year. Do you still think those saved lives are "irrelevant"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Speeding is a criminal offence, it rarely results in a criminal conviction. Do you not understand the difference? The implications of a criminal conviction can be far-reaching. Why do people barge into threads they haven't read? All motoring offences (except parking violations in areas where enforcement has been handed over to local councils, rather than traffic wardens) come under criminal law. So there can be no doubt that speeding is a criminal offence. However, there is no statutory definition of a 'criminal record'. The generally held view is that motoring offences dealt with by fixed penalties don't create (or add to) a criminal record, whereas those dealt with in the courts do form part of a criminal record. So, following that definition, it's possible to commit a criminal offence (speeding) without acquiring a criminal record. With an increasing number of criminal offences (e.g. dropping litter) being dealt with by fixed penalties, rather than court appearances, it will be interesting to see how the definition of a 'criminal record' changes over time. The criminal offence of speeding has many possible consequences including: Acquittal in Court Conviction in Court (appearance) - fine, points and record Conviction in Court (in absence) - fine, points and record Discretionary Police Caution - record Discretionary FPN - fine, points, no record Warning No Action Taken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LardyBoy Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 They are at those locations most weeks but it does not tell you where at what time and day. Quite correct , so thats why drivers warning other drivers of the speed traps presence is vital . Look at it as a service from Drivers for other drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 You said minor increases in speed make no difference. They would save 200 lives a year. Do you still think those saved lives are "irrelevant"? How is this figure reached? You'd probably be happy if every road in the country was limited to 20 mph, although you'd probably break the limit on your bike and argue that it was safer than doing it than in a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 You said minor increases in speed make no difference. Do you think you could stop misquoting me, that's not actually what I said is it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LardyBoy Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 But this is a stupid nonsensical statement.....so therefore..............you are saying that the people who install speed camera signs should be prosecuted..? Excellent post . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 How is this figure reached? . Trl 421, as I've said, three times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Do you think you could stop misquoting me, that's not actually what I said is it! Yes you did: "Hence why slightly exceeding the speed limit is not a major cause of accidents or deaths." Now, a very slight reduction in speed would save 200 lives a year. Think those lives are "irrelevant"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_rudeboy Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Speeding is a criminal conviction, read the thread. So is violence, vandalism and threatening behaviour, but you condone that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temper Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Taxpayers spend millions on crime prevention yet here we have a guy who is willing to do it for free and he is criminalised for it. It is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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