Chris_Sleeps Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I don't suppose anyone deliberately drove into a riot. Your point is frankly ludicrous. The Prince of Wales sat in a luxury Bentley surrounded by rioters is ludicrous, but it happened. At what point would you suggest that armed intervention is justified? Would that be before or after the royal family have been injured or stabbed? It's an hard question to answer, and i could easily turn it around to you. At what point should we shoot a man throwing paint on a car? Bodyguards are not there to murder people who damage cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizmachin Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 That was a planned assasination intrinsically connected to the agressive colonial policies of the Austro Hungarian Empire. Slightly different from incompetent numpties directing a motorcade into a demo, despite having the benefit of live CCTV observation of all the possible routes. Do you think that would even happen in America? Where was it that Ronnie Reagan was shot? So how would they have handled it in Soviet Russia or Cuba? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 ... So I do appreciate your point, but all rasing fees does is isolate the working class, and just because your family covers the cost doesnt mean youre not gona fail too...its a hard one to call! The one's whose families can afford it, who cares... They in reality are just feeding the system and trying to educate their families, nothing wrong there. As for working class, yes i'd like everybody to do at least further education and the opportunity for higher education, but it's not for everybody. Also as an economy we can't afford it. But in reality, yes the costs have gone up, but so has the security blanket for the lesser achievers. (And yes I did work bloody hard! ) You know no-one can ever take that away from you, even if you lost or threw everything away, you'd still have the knowledge of how to think things through to a higher degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Where was it that Ronnie Reagan was shot? Reagan was shot in a perfectly normal situation. He was leaving an hotel and getting into a car. He wasn't driven into the middle of the LA riots, was he? Secondly, isn't "what would Stalin have done?" a point in favour of not shooting people? Stalin was a despot, and I don't think we are at the minute. We still have some decency, I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Start gunning people down in the street, and they will switch from throwing stones to shooting and planting bombs. The historical examples of this are plentiful.The best policy to avoid civil unrest is not to go to far in the direction of setting everything up for the benefit of the wealthy. ie taking money out of education to pay off the gambling debts of City bankers. Also the inverse can be said! Let them get away with it and they will try again, but with more confidence. Just look at how the trouble escalated through the three riots, it just got worse and worse. Maybe the best course of action would have been to detain the lot of them at the outset! Then none of them would have been running amok all over the place! Do you think if the second riot (after the precedence set in the first riot!) had been properly quelled that the third would have resulted in the shameful happenings of the third, e.g. cenotaph's desecrated, WW Christmas trees burnt, graffiti, criminal damage, attacks of innocent people (HRH), etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Maybe the best course of action would have been to detain the lot of them at the outset! Then none of them would have been running amok all over the place! That'd be a dream idea for despotism. "Anyone who wants to protest here, you're all detained incase you do anything naughty." "But we're allowed to protest." "Not anymore." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizmachin Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Reagan was shot in a perfectly normal situation. He was leaving an hotel and getting into a car. He wasn't driven into the middle of the LA riots, was he? Secondly, isn't "what would Stalin have done?" a point in favour of not shooting people? Stalin was a despot, and I don't think we are at the minute. We still have some decency, I hope. Charles was in a perfectly normal situation. He was his way to the theatre. The fact that they ran into a riot was accidental not planned. But Raegan's shooting shows how little time a bodyguard has to react to a potentialy life threatening situation. The question of what would have happened in Soviet Russia was addressed to donkey, as it is clear that is the sort of state he aspires to in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 These people are a parasitic scourge of our society, a national embarrassment, why don’t they do something useful and go out and get a job? It makes me so angry that my taxes fund these kind of useless degenerates. Mind you I don’t have much time for the protesters either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky3 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 That'd be a dream idea for despotism. "Anyone who wants to protest here, you're all detained incase you do anything naughty." "But we're allowed to protest." "Not anymore." No, not anymore! But since your so called peaceful protest is riddled with socialists and anarchist with different aims to you and in the face of how it turned out last time and where it's already heading this time, never mind the fact that it's already no longer peaceful and that many have already broken the law, we are going to enforce the law! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 These people are a parasitic scourge of our society, a national embarrassment, why don’t they do something useful and go out and get a job? It makes me so angry that my taxes fund these kind of useless degenerates. Mind you I don’t have much time for the protesters either. Absolutely. A throwback to the days of feudal serfdom. In a decent society people would want to remove the last symbolic vestiges of the masters/slaves system. The fact so many view with nostalgia those days of the ruthless gangster families - who ruled Europe with an iron fist for centuries - only demonstrates they have been effectively brainwashed from birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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