VAT on fuel - are we being ripped off?

[Swan_Vesta]

 

This shows that “the motorist”, far from being unfairly taxed, is being heavily subsidised by the non-motoring tax payers.

 

 

So it is motorists that are the free loaders on Britain’s roads, not the long suffering cyclists and pedestrians.

 

You don't half come out with some pearlers ........ The thread is on VAT on fuel. As a pious, holier than thou "My bike is powered by cous cous & mung beans" cyclist, it has very little bearing on you.

 

For folk like myself who have to drive to work it has impact.

[LardyBoy]

The cost of motoring has fallen by 18% in real terms over the past 20 years, despite the price of fuel rising by 210% in that time, an RAC report says.

 

 

Car drivers pay nothing like what they should, they are freeloaders.

 

 

So fuel rising by 210% in 20 years isnt Governments hammering motorists ?

Where as cyclists pay NOTHING, so please remind me who are the actual freeloaders on our roads ?

 

[alchresearch]

The motoring group takes inflation into account and says cars are now cheaper overall and need less money spent on them than they did two decades ago.

 

I find that very hard to believe. With the amount of electronics under the engine, and dealer / specialist only fixes, the days of cheap motoring by doing your own servicing and repairs with a modern car are long gone.

[spindrift]

 

So fuel rising by 210% in 20 years isnt Governments hammering motorists ?

Where as cyclists pay NOTHING, so please remind me who are the actual freeloaders on our roads ?

 

 

How do you think roads are paid for?

 

Do you think cyclists don't pay tax and must never own a car?:loopy:

 

The total revenue from all VED raised from motorists doesn't even cover the damage they cause when they park on pavements.

 

Cyclists pay tax the same a s everyone else, do you seriously think the taxman would accept it if I said: "Sorry, I'm not paying any income or council tax, you see I'm a cyclist!"

 

It's amazing grown adults can be so ignorant.

[spindrift]

 

So fuel rising by 210% in 20 years isnt Governments hammering motorists ?

Where as cyclists pay NOTHING, so please remind me who are the actual freeloaders on our roads ?

 

 

EVERY car on Britain's roads receives a pounds 1,000 annual 'subsidy' from the Government because of the indirect costs of roads and motoring, including pollution, noise, accidents and congestion, according to an analysis published today.

 

Contrary to claims by transport ministers and motoring organisations that car drivers pay more in fuel and vehicle taxes than they receive back in spending on roads, the 'true' cost of motoring is more than double the tax revenues - pounds 32.5bn as against pounds 13.8bn.

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/government-challenged-over-motoring-myths-real-cost-of-roads-far-higher-than-ministers-say-transport-pressure-group-claims-1416229.html

[LardyBoy]

So you believe that cyclists shouls be exempt from paying VED then , even thought cyclists use the same roads as motorists .?

 

It has to be one rule for all .

[alchresearch]

EVERY car on Britain's roads receives a pounds 1,000 annual 'subsidy' from the Government because of the indirect costs of roads and motoring, including pollution, noise, accidents and congestion, according to an analysis published today.

 

Your link is from 1994!

[spindrift]

I find that very hard to believe. With the amount of electronics under the engine, and dealer / specialist only fixes, the days of cheap motoring by doing your own servicing and repairs with a modern car are long gone.

 

 

 

Is it cheaper to be on the road now compared to twenty years ago?

 

A recent survey has suggested that in real terms the cost of motoring today is actually around 18% cheaper than it was twenty years ago in 1988. During that time the cost of petrol alone has rocketed by over 200%, but officials from the RAC, which conducted the research, have said that these days the cost of cars is cheaper overall, and vehicles tend to need less money spending on them these days compared to twenty years ago.

 

http://www.themoneystop.co.uk/092008/is-it-cheaper-to-be-on-the-road-now-compared-to-twenty-years-ago.html

 

 

Although drivers might feel the cost of running a vehicle is ever increasing, it has in fact fallen by 18% in the last 20 years.

 

http://www.evecars.com/news-article.aspx?NA=233911

[Rupert_Baehr]

The cost of motoring has fallen by 18% in real terms over the past 20 years, despite the price of fuel rising by 210% in that time, an RAC report says.

 

... Car drivers pay nothing like what they should, they are freeloaders.

 

Interesting (but silly) statistics, Spinny.

 

By how much has the cost of Magnetic Resonance Imagery fallen during the last 40 years? (I ask this because I was working on MRI in 1970 and it was amazingly expensive. At 1970 rates, an MRI today would cost somewhere in the region of 2 milion pounds.)

 

How big was a computer with a 16Kb capacity 40 years ago? ( The one I used was about 6ft high, 4 ft wide and 2 ft deep.)

 

Life moves on.

 

Any time that you want to pay the full price of the food you eat, you are invited to contribute. There are plenty of places willing to accept contributions.

 

If you don't like people having roads; if you don't like goods being transported by road, you are very welcome to grow your own food in your very own window box and you are cordially invited to have nothing to do with any merchandise or product which has travelled by road.

 

Are you prepared to do that?

[spindrift]

So you believe that cyclists shouls be exempt from paying VED then , even thought cyclists use the same roads as motorists .?

 

It has to be one rule for all .

 

 

Of course.

 

Along with:

 

# Vehicles registered to disabled people (1.12 million vehicles).[7]

 

 

# Emergency vehicles (includes police cars, fire-engines, and ambulances and other health-service vehicles).[8]

 

 

# Vehicle registered to ex-soldiers who are in receipt of war pensioners’ mobility supplement (18,340 vehicles).[9]

 

 

# Band A cars (306 vehicles in 2006, but rising fast).[10]

 

 

# Ministerial cars.[11]

 

 

# Vehicles operated by the Government Car and Despatch Agency.[citation needed]

 

# Cars imported by members of foreign armed forces.[12]

 

# Road construction vehicles.[13]

 

# Agricultural, horticultural and forestry vehicles[14]

 

# 'Crown vehicles' for the use of Queen Elizabeth II and other members of the royal family.[15]