VideoPro Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 The term "hate crime" is just some fangled crap new Labour came out with,,, Really? The Labour party were in power in all these countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 would you say someone who kills for, say, robbery should have the same punishment as someone who kills someone in a 'bar brawl', or someone who kills someone coz they were paid, maybe? The bar brawler might have the defence that he wasn't intending to kill someone - but take that away (say, for example, he pulled a knife and slit a man's throat) and yes. As far as I'm concerned, all three are murders and all as bad as each other, and the man who kills someone because of being homosexual is no better and no worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted January 11, 2011 Author Share Posted January 11, 2011 The bar brawler might have the defence that he wasn't intending to kill someone - but take that away (say, for example, he pulled a knife and slit a man's throat) and yes. As far as I'm concerned, all three are murders and all as bad as each other, and the man who kills someone because of being homosexual is no better and no worse. i think 'intention' goes to the heart of national and international law and rightly so. just saying 'a life is taken' is too simplistic. i think it'd mean either life in jail or the needle for everyone depending on where you are. and where would it leave the army etc? the man who kills to defend himself, his fam or property(not too sure about the property.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 would you say someone who kills for, say, robbery should have the same punishment as someone who kills someone in a 'bar brawl', or someone who kills someone coz they were paid, maybe? A death in a bar brawl would usualy be considered Manslaughter. Someone who kills during a robbery and a hitman is usualy charged with murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 is the difference only a matter of casualties- in the sense that in 'terrorism' the casualties tend to be fatalities and 'hate crime' tends to leave shattered souls who then grow into damaged adults or adults whose lives are destroyed? is the difference just a legal/political one? i ask because, in the end, the base motivation for both heinous things is the same. at the risk of sounding redundant, perhaps we could look at the causes and effects of both in their whole range instead of focusing too much on the inevitable... No, there's an ideological difference, a hate crime is committed simply due to the hatred of that group. Terrorism is committed with a political aim and the intention of achieving that aim through causing terror amongst the population being targetted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 i think 'intention' goes to the heart of national and international law and rightly so. just saying 'a life is taken' is too simplistic. i think it'd mean either life in jail or the needle for everyone depending on where you are. and where would it leave the army etc? the man who kills to defend himself, his fam or property(not too sure about the property.) In the UK you have the right to defend your property with reasonable force. Reasonable as always depending on the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Terrorism is against the state. Hate crime can be against the individual and the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted January 11, 2011 Author Share Posted January 11, 2011 No, there's an ideological difference, a hate crime is committed simply due to the hatred of that group. Terrorism is committed with a political aim and the intention of achieving that aim through causing terror amongst the population being targetted. would you say the bombing of gay bars a few years back was terrorism or hate crime? i get what you mean trying to work out where the line's drawn. or maybe, it's more a matter of degrees as opposed to either or. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted January 11, 2011 Author Share Posted January 11, 2011 In the UK you have the right to defend your property with reasonable force. Reasonable as always depending on the situation. i know. it's the same world wide. i just don't think you ever should be allowed to kill simply to 'protect property' when your life is in no real danger. which the law seems to condone in the sates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Those convicted of a terrorist related crime can be released early as evidenced in N. Ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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