decaff Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Yes sindrift, the driving offences should be re-looked at and be brought up in line with this. He deserves the conviction. The length probably has "making an example of" factored into it! There is a lot of guilty rioters who are getting off absolutely free, he's become a fall guy, they should feel guilty! The law very rarely works to "make an example" of people. Sentences are set down by precedent and while judges do have some scope to make their own decisions they are bound by decisions in higher courts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj.scuba Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I didn't say he should be convicted of murder, that would be impossible to prove. I am making the point that drivers on mobiles, for instance, are as dangerous as drunk drivers, yet they get a £60 fine for an act as dangerous as lobbing a heavy metal thing off a building. Do you have any casualty and fatality stats by cause to back that up? Thanks. It ain't the same thing a dropping a heavy object onto a crowd. Deliberatly driving a car at a crowd might be comparable. Perhaps if you think driving a car at a crowd of people should only warrant two years jail time like the fire extinguisher thrower got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Sidebottom Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Both, in my opinion. Penalties for killer drivers are ansurdly lenient, the penalty for this idiot seems manifestly excessive, again in my opinion. I think you have to factor in probability. When you account for all journeys undertaken on the roads in a day, and divide it by the number of injuries/deaths then you'd get an accurate ratio, which in my opinion would be a very small likelihood of injury/death. The likelihood of injuring/killing someone by throwing a lump of metal off a roof at/into a crowd is much, much greater. And that is what he should be punished for. That and for being as thick a many short planks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 he's become a fall guy Maybe he'll chuck himself off a balcony next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted January 11, 2011 Author Share Posted January 11, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1885775.stm Talking on a mobile phone while driving is more dangerous than being over the legal alcohol limit, according to research. http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-6090342-7.html Drivers who talk on either handheld or hands-free cellular phones are as impaired as drunken drivers, according to experimental research conducted by Drs. Frank Drews, David Strayer, and Dennis L. Crouch of the University of Utah. http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/DrivingIssues/20060830105036.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 this is the kind of hyperbole that's gonna get whoever poked Camilla with a stick done for treason. seriously though, i did admit that he did something stupid, and, yes, criminal, but they could have easily said 'you could have HURT someone.' but they went for the worst case scenario. i know someone who went down for attempted murder because in a fight he yelled 'i will kill you'. kid just got an overzealous judge. His sentence most probably reflects the fact that it was a premeditated action. He took the fire extinguisher with the intention of commiting a criminal act with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted January 11, 2011 Author Share Posted January 11, 2011 I think you have to factor in probability. When you account for all journeys undertaken on the roads in a day, and divide it by the number of injuries/deaths then you'd get an accurate ratio, which in my opinion would be a very small likelihood of injury/death. . 3000 deaths a year and ten children killed or seriously injured on the roads every day isn't really a negligible carnage rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 That he didn't kill someone perhaps? I nearly didn't kill someone a few months ago. In fact someone nearly didn't kill me a year ago..maybe we should be in the same cell.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decaff Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1885775.stm Talking on a mobile phone while driving is more dangerous than being over the legal alcohol limit, according to research. http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-6090342-7.html Drivers who talk on either handheld or hands-free cellular phones are as impaired as drunken drivers, according to experimental research conducted by Drs. Frank Drews, David Strayer, and Dennis L. Crouch of the University of Utah. http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/DrivingIssues/20060830105036.html driving while on the phone (with it to your ear) is dangerous and i agree that it impairs driving. But, If talking on your hands free impairs you as much as drink does then surely it should be illegal to carry passengers and talk to them? as this is a similar thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted January 11, 2011 Author Share Posted January 11, 2011 driving while on the phone (with it to your ear) is dangerous and i agree that it impairs driving. But, If talking on your hands free impairs you as much as drink does then surely it should be illegal to carry passengers and talk to them? as this is a similar thing. No, it isn't. Face to face conversation relies on many non-verbal clues that don't exist with remote conversations with someone not present. When talking on a phone rather than with someone in the car you have to concentrate much harder because you lack these non verbal clues. That's why drivers on mobiles are more dangerous than drunk drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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