Badlittlepup Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 is no one reading why they were in the group. how can you expect 'mixing' when people don't know the language and are terrified and confused by the culture(both ways)? integration is a process not an event. the group is the first step in said process. why do most people need tour guides when they go abroad? I don't think that their reasons for going there are particularly relevant to what Daftlad is saying. And your point about the tour guide - equally, it is normal for advanced students of a language, particularly university students, to spend time in the country of the language they are learning and to immerse themselves in it completely to learn it better. A student attempting to do that would be a very stupid student indeed if they did that then when in the country joined groups and socialised in places which completely excluded locals of that country. It's the same here, including for the children, this for many of them may be the only contact they have with people outside their home and yet it completely isolates them from meeting exactly the people they need to meet in order to intergrate effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 That's an interesting thing to say. As you point out, it is quite difficult to get help and advice from the CAB because they are so busy. Yet groups like these are set up to provide similar types of support, only the exclude the British. That is quite a comparision, the ease of service from a group which seems to be very, very easy to access and the CAB who's services are extremely hard to access. That does strike me as a type of discrimination. it's not the ease. it's more that the group is more suited to what the people need. the CAB would need more trained interpreters and places to hold these groups. the group is not duplicating the CAB. its providing services CAB don't provide exactly, and would need to grow and employ more people etc to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Wouldn't the solution be for people coming to this country to learn the English language before leaving their homeland ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I don't think that their reasons for going there are particularly relevant to what Daftlad is saying. And your point about the tour guide - equally, it is normal for advanced students of a language, particularly university students, to spend time in the country of the language they are learning and to immerse themselves in it completely to learn it better. A student attempting to do that would be a very stupid student indeed if they did that then when in the country joined groups and socialised in places which completely excluded locals of that country. It's the same here, including for the children, this for many of them may be the only contact they have with people outside their home and yet it completely isolates them from meeting exactly the people they need to meet in order to intergrate effectively. yes, advanced students of language do that. i didn't need language classes when i came coz my English was good already. but some people speak hardly anything and to expect them to just go to the shop coz you pointed it out or the park coz it's there can be terrifying for them. those who come from English speaking parts of the world probably don't use the group much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Wouldn't the solution be for people coming to this country to learn the English language before leaving their homeland ? not really itd take me a lifetime to learn another language, its not my thing, should i be barred from travelling anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Wouldn't the solution be for people coming to this country to learn the English language before leaving their homeland ? those coming to work and study already have to do. you don't get in otherwise. their family, if they qualify to join them, don't have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 those coming to work and study already have to do. you don't get in otherwise. their family, if they qualify to join them, don't have to. This should be changed, with obvious exceptions for the elderly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 not really itd take me a lifetime to learn another language, its not my thing, should i be barred from travelling anywhere? Not from travelling but where is the logic in settling in a country where you can't speak the language and therefore are unable to integrate into your new home country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimani Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 This should be changed, with obvious exceptions for the elderly you do have point there. i do agree that if you moving to 'settle' in a country you need to be able to speak the language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Not from travelling but where is the logic in settling in a country where you can't speak the language and therefore are unable to integrate into your new home country. *remembers to tell the american at work monday morning its football NOT soccer* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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