flamingjimmy Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 It's what the "old woman" represents that matters. She is the recognized head of state is she not?That's the problem! If I thought like you I would dismiss the US Constitution as a mere piece of ancient paper with a bit of writing on it.Well no, if you thought like me you'd think the American constitution is one of humanity's greatest achievements, so you're a little bit off there. From my perspective the Queen and what she represents is a unifying entity in a country that is very much divided politically just as the Constitution works the same way in the USI think comparing the queen to the american constitution is ridiculous, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissy53 Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 This 'old woman' has governers and people to advise her on what to say or not to say because she actually gets a payment from the State coming from us lot who are at work paying taxes. Am I trying to discuss this with people that has no idea on the protocols that she has to abide with. Well if I am then maybe you should go back to finding out about your own country. This 'old woman' loves her country but she has little control over what happens in society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissy53 Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 It's what the "old woman" represents that matters. She is the recognized head of state is she not? If I thought like you I would dismiss the US Constitution as a mere piece of ancient paper with a bit of writing on it. From my perspective the Queen and what she represents is a unifying entity in a country that is very much divided politically just as the Constitution works the same way in the US I really dont enjoy reading 'the old woman' as I am a woman and its very hard work to be a woman believe me...... Periods, childbirth, caring, naturing, taking kids to school, going to work, juggling with school work, cooking meals, keeping house clean, etc etc etc. Then to nail varnish my nails, put on G knickers, blow wave my hair, smile when he comes home (this is the best part of me day) spend quality time with him discuss events in his day and mine talk about tomorrow then go to bed and snuggle up. Maybe the 'Old woman' is a real person also. Queenie your a great woamn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 That's the problem! Well no, if you thought like me you'd think the American constitution is one of humanity's greatest achievements, so you're a little bit off there. I think comparing the queen to the american constitution is ridiculous, to be honest. I'm comparing the Queen to the Constitution as both of them being a national unifying factor. I tend to distrust British sentiment for republicanism and abolition of the monarchy. It generally smacks of extreme socialism which it shouldnt because republicanism is a state of mind without being tied to any political thought or sympathy. It's also a form of class hatred which ties in with socialist thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I really dont enjoy reading 'the old woman' as I am a woman and its very hard work to be a woman believe me...... Periods, childbirth, caring, naturing, taking kids to school, going to work, juggling with school work, cooking meals, keeping house clean, etc etc etc. Then to nail varnish my nails, put on G knickers, blow wave my hair, smile when he comes home (this is the best part of me day) spend quality time with him discuss events in his day and mine talk about tomorrow then go to bed and snuggle up. Maybe the 'Old woman' is a real person also. Queenie your a great woamn. I like the Queen myself. I think she's done a difficult job with great dignity and earned the respect of most of the nation. I also like the American system of government but I dont think it would work or appeal to the great majority in Britain. Britons and Americans share many things in common as in common law and language but the way of thinking of both peoples is vastly different in respect to how a country should be governed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I tend to distrust British sentiment for republicanism and abolition of the monarchy. It generally smacks of extreme socialism which it shouldnt because republicanism is a state of mind without being tied to any political thought or sympathy. You tried this last time and it is petty, I think. You called us Bolsheviks, if I remember correctly. I've read more Thomas Paine than Marx. I've got a respect for a Constitutional Monarchy, I can understand why it is a solid form of government. I found myself defending it against Americans who said it was "just the Queen telling us what to do", to quote a fool. Yet my core feeling, which I have had since I was a child, is that any hereditary position is wrong. It is so wrong I can't find a way to justify it in government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 You tried this last time and it is petty, I think. You called us Bolsheviks, if I remember correctly. I've read more Thomas Paine than Marx. I've got a respect for a Constitutional Monarchy, I can understand why it is a solid form of government. I found myself defending it against Americans who said it was "just the Queen telling us what to do", to quote a fool. Yet my core feeling, which I have had since I was a child, is that any hereditary position is wrong. It is so wrong I can't find a way to justify it in government. There are a lot of people who think that a hereditary form of soclalist goverment should be the way to run Britain. I base this on all the gripes and moans from posters I've read on different threads. The Labour governemnt didnt do much of anything for Britons during 12 years in power but there are many who think that unless the government is socialist it has no business running the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 There are a lot of people who think that a hereditary form of soclalist goverment should be the way to run Britain. I base this on all the gripes and moans from posters I've read on different threads. What have party politics got to do with the role monarchy? What is more, I'd be against any hereditary power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 The IRA are Catholic civilians and that is why so many Catholics were killed. If you'd even looked at the statistics in the link you would know that republicans and catholic civilians killed by the army are in two distinct categories. You are misinterpreting the graph in your link and the people killed by the army were Republican or Loyalist terrorists except for unfortunate accidents. On the contrary, you are misinterpreting it, and what is more, it is clear from what you are saying that you have either not looked at the link, or have conveniently failed to understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 If you'd even looked at the statistics in the link you would know that republicans and catholic civilians killed by the army are in two distinct categories. On the contrary, you are misinterpreting it, and what is more, it is clear from what you are saying that you have either not looked at the link, or have conveniently failed to understand it. I must admit I only glanced at your link and got my facts from wikipedia(spelling may be wrong) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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