convert Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Has anyone considered natural selection as a contributory cause? Intelligent people tend to marry other intelligent people and produce intelligent kids. Chavscum simply produce more chavscum. With each successive generation the gap gets that little bit wider. Especially when they get a Government bonus for every little herbert they turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitch_1980 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Especially when they get a Government bonus for every little herbert they turn out. I thought people on here were angered by the goverment lowering benefits.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffragette1 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Interestingly, I read a report recently highlighting that despite the fact that Chinese immigrants are some of the poorest and most disadvantaged in socio-economic terms, they are very high achievers academically and educationally. I cannot find the link, however. Can anyone else provide one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dell12 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Then that is the universities problem, that they lose out on a gifted child. But it will be another universities gain such as edinburgh. That's as maybe, but if you look at those at the top in society the chances are they went to Oxbridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Interestingly, I read a report recently highlighting that despite the fact that Chinese immigrants are some of the poorest and most disadvantaged in socio-economic terms, they are very high achievers academically and educationally. I cannot find the link, however. Can anyone else provide one? Family cohesion may play a fundamental part in that. The parents may be disadvantaged in one area (education maybe) but excel in other areas, morality, respect etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffragette1 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Family cohesion may play a fundamental part in that. The parents may be disadvantaged in one area (education maybe) but excel in other areas, morality, respect etc. Yes, that's very true but doesn't necessarily transcend into other ethnic groups where family values and morals are of great cultural import. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPat Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Yes, that's very true but doesn't necessarily transcend into other ethnic groups where family values and morals are of great cultural import. Better not get into a discussion of The Bell Curve, you'll become an instant racist ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettyBooHoo! Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I speak as a parent of 2 children. Some may say I am 'middle class.' I always beleive that i cant be as I was brought up in a working class environment. I worked hard, getting a job at the age of 16 and bought the first house when I was 24 and sold a beautiful house( the 2nd one) to move in to a catchment area with a good school. The one my kids would have gone to was in special measures although the area that we lived in ( meersbrook was lovely) I risked a lot ( got a bigger mortgage) and the move was disruptive for my son who is on the autistic spectrum but I thought it was worth the risk so they could have a better education. For my son going to a better school made no diffference. He went off the rails, and got in to all sorts of trouble despite having the opportunity to get on. For my daughter mixing with kids who work hard socialise and have a good life was the guiding light that she needed and is doing very well at school and taking 12 GCSEs. So growing up in a middle class environment isnt always the passport to succes. It is dependant on many other factors also. I do believe that the people they mix with is one of the most crucial factures especially if they are easily led. I'm with you here. I think it's down to a mixture of both the area, the parents and the individual child to be honest. Good parents do everything they possibly can to ensure that their children have the best start in life, and lead by example. Some children from the poorest of areas will do well if they want it enough and their parents care enough. Some kids from affluent areas will fail if they don't want to learn,no matter how much money they have. However, all you need to do is look at the school performance tables to see that schools in better areas achieve better results. We also moved house so our son can attend a good school. There was no way on this earth I would have sent him to the school where we lived before, neither would I have felt comfortable letting him out to play there with the kids I saw hanging around that area, so we moved. Like you, we've taken out a bigger mortgage but it's worth every penny. Some people might think i'm a bit snobby but if wanting the best for my child is snobby then so be it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espadrille Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I'm with you here. I think it's down to a mixture of both the area, the parents and the individual child to be honest. Good parents do everything they possibly can to ensure that their children have the best start in life, and lead by example. Some children from the poorest of areas will do well if they want it enough and their parents care enough. Some kids from affluent areas will fail if they don't want to learn,no matter how much money they have. However, all you need to do is look at the school performance tables to see that schools in better areas achieve better results. We also moved house so our son can attend a good school. There was no way on this earth I would have sent him to the school where we lived before, neither would I have felt comfortable letting him out to play there with the kids I saw hanging around that area, so we moved. Like you, we've taken out a bigger mortgage but it's worth every penny. Some people might think i'm a bit snobby but if wanting the best for my child is snobby then so be it! I agree but my point was that no matter what I did and how supportive I have been for my son I think he was always going to go down the wrong path. I guess having a neurologiocal difference like epilepsy and an ASD doesnt help with self esteem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert_Baehr Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I thought people on here were angered by the goverment lowering benefits.... Only when it's their own benefits which are under threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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